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Old 07-12-2004, 11:19 PM   #1
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hey guys. I'm in the market for a new toy and i am seriously considering a 2005 STi. i got an online quote from my local dealer, after i priced one out online. the options i included were:
short throw shifter
boost gauge
wheel locks
auto dimming mirror and compass
security system upgrade

And was told this:

This vehicle has a MSRP of $34,535.00. You can purchase this car for $800.00 over the Factory Invoice. Thus your price is 32,329.00.

So really in my opinion, that's not a bad deal. especially for a brand new 2005.

but i have a few questions, before i go dropping all that coin.

1) what options are really worth it? should i get the full guage set? i like the little column boost guage, but i figured i'd add my own guages and center pod later. what about the engine options like the battery and block heater and all that?

2) how are these cars holding up for you guys? i dont want to be at the dealer every week getting another thing worked out.

3) this wouldn't be my daily driver. it would be more of a weekend toy, track car. but i'm wondering if i should go with this or a fun 2 seater. I am, and have been a FD3S rotorhead for years now, and i just sold my last FD. The STi is the only other car i would consider, but since i have a Daily, i was wondering if a 4 door racer is really what i'm looking for? what are your overall impressions of your car? i want to hear from the guys that have some experience with them.

and finally, just give me some opinions. i'm looking for all the info i can to help me make my decision. are there any new things coming for 2005 compared to the 04 models?

thanks guys, and sorry for so many questions
and i did search, but couldnt find exactly what i was looking for.

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Old 07-12-2004, 11:49 PM   #2
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I love my STI. I used to have a 91 NSX. I have about 4600 miles on mine since mid may, and the only issue so far has been that I discovered my parking brake isn't engaging on one side. I haven't put in a whole lot of effort to diagnose it yet, but it's not a huge deal yet.

I would say any other options you shouldn't get right away, unless you really want them and need to roll them into your financing, because you can probably get the parts cheaper online and install them yourself.

As for the price, that sounds pretty good, although I'm not sure I'm buying the 31529 invoice.... The mirror and short shifter should only be +$7-800 msrp, and I'm pretty sure invoice on my car, which had all those same options except the mirror and shifter, was down around $30500 at most, and I bought it for $32500. So either way, your offer still sounds pretty good.

They will offer you a maintenance plan, protectant package, and "added security" package, which is basically an extended warranty, when you get to the financing office.

I've heard from a former subaru service manager that the paint sealant isn't worth it, because it's just basically a super-tough polyer wax that you can still easily strip off. If you wash/wax your car regularly, you don't need it. I doubt the fabric sealant is worth it (I didn't get it), and the under car sealant is definitely not worth it IMO.

The maintenance plan is probably not worth it if you want to change your own oil and/or run some kind of oil/filter other than what the dealer would put in. I kind of wish I hadn't gotten it.

I got the extended warranty for $1475, which I was told was their cost, but then I decided to cancel it figuring I'd be making enough mods that it'd be a hassle to get coverage for anything expensive enough to make that money back. I think of it like gambling.... The house (Subaru) wouldn't play (offer the package) if they couldn't make money on it, which means that the average person who buys it wouldn't save money with claims on it. However, the former service manage that told me the paint sealant is a waste made it sound like that extended coverage is worthwhile.

If you're a fan of rear-wheel-drive 2-seaters that handle well, you'll probably be disappointed with the handling out of the box. I've done hotchkis swaybars on mine, and it's a good improvement. STI Pink springs are on the way. But be warned, nobody makes struts or coilovers that fit the front on the 2005 right now. There's also limited wheel options that are known to fit. I'm sure the wheel options will become available, and probably the strut/coilover options, too.

As for 2005 vs. 2004, there's a big list, of which I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff:
Helical front diff, as opposed to whatever was in there before
Different steering rack mounts, may or may not be better.
Different (I think cleaner/classier) interior
17x8 5x115.3 wheels, instead of 17x7.5 5x100 wheels (good)
Bigger/stronger wheel bearings (very good)
Aluminum rear lateral links (good, I think)
Rear fender flare (I like it, but might just be because I feel cool having it and the 2004 people not)
More rear tire clearance to rear fender (see rear fender flare)
Slightly different badges/stickers on the exterior
Stock stereo
35 pounds heavier
Plastic underbody panels along the sides (I guess to reduce tire noise or something)

-Mike
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Old 07-12-2004, 11:57 PM   #3
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Mike,

thanks for the great reply. I am still really undecided, it's gonna be something that i probably won't buy until closer to the end of the summer, but i think i may go talk to the dealer soon to see if i can get any other kind of deal. And i still have yet to drive one, but i've ridden in a few, and enjoyed it. I see you have a white one, thats the color i'm looking at as well

anyway, if anyone else has anything else to add please feel free.

thanks guys,
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:03 AM   #4
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Wrong forum what?
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:33 AM   #5
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My only advice is to see if you can ditch the stock turbo gauge. Mine came with the auto tinting rear view and boost gauge as a package , and I couldn't get the dealer to remove them. Sure a boost gauge is nice, but do you know what mPa is? I don't. That's the units the stock gauge reads in. Don't feel like doing math while I'm driving either.

Other than that, drive as many other cars as you can before spending over $30 grand on a car, only to have buyers remorse later on.
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Old 07-13-2004, 08:08 AM   #6
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I'd like to feel the '05 steering. I find the '04 steering..."spongy"....more so than I'd prefer.

I'd leave off the boost gauge and put on an aftermarket one. You can pick one up for around $30-$40 and mount it just about anywhere a whole lot cheaper.

Ditto for the auto-dimming mirror. Save the several hundred dollars and purchase a nice color GPS unit (I recommend a Garmin iQue 3600).

Wheel locks you can add anytime. I don't find them all that effective. I've seen two cars with stolen wheels that had wheel locks. Both times, the theives just used a big pair of vise-grips to hold onto the nut and spin it right off. But they are inexpensive enough that they are probably worth a little piece of mind to keep the honest man honest.

Don't know if you are into modding. I'm a little disappointed with the power below 3500RPM. You gotta keep it revved more than I'd like to keep the power up. But a nice turbo-back exhaust and an ECU reflash for about $1500-$1700 adds a whole lot of torque and pulls it lower in the RPM band...nice for a track car or auto-X vehicle.

If you plan to keep the vehicle garaged for use only on the weekends, I wouldn't bother with the block and battery heater....just extra weight you won't need.

I'm regretting not having driven an EVO before buying my STi. At the time, I couldn't stand the EVO looks, but they've grown on me a bit. I came from an old Eagle Talon turbo, and the EVO has the same 4g63 engine, so I was familiar with it and never had any problems with it. It was smooth and quiet. The EVO costs less than the STi and has better steering. I've ridden in both for an auto-X event....performance was about the same. The EVO is a bit more of a track car though and may be more what you are looking for. But it's also turbocharged to within an inch of its life at 19psi, whereas the STi I think has a lot of growth potential.

Good Luck!

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Old 07-13-2004, 08:24 AM   #7
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Personally I'd drop the "add ons". You can get much better boost units etc afterwards at a fraction of the cost.

Also, I thought the Invoice was ~ 29,500? What's missing to get to ~ 32,500?
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Old 07-13-2004, 08:43 AM   #8
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I would not get any xtra options unless there was no charge on them.The factory boost guage is mounted right in the way of the outside temp. display.I took mine out and replaced it with an aftermarket unit.
Consumer Reports says don't buy extended warranty or protection packages.I think they are pure profit for the dealership.
I have used online services for price quotes,taken those quotes to local dealerships, and had good results.

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Old 07-13-2004, 09:02 AM   #9
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Remember one thing: STi is expensive to drive on a track.
It eats tires and brakes like crazy. At the same time it's a real cheater car because you would be a lot faster then almost anything else even with less driving skills.
If I were you I would probably get something like used S2K (I am actually thinking myself about it). But STi is still something special to take to the track from time to time. EVO RS is another nice option fo about $5K less and plenty of performance.
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Old 07-13-2004, 09:32 AM   #10
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I'm a little disappointed with the power below 3500RPM. You gotta keep it revved more than I'd like to keep the power up.

I'm regretting not having driven an EVO before buying my STi.
heh, you would be disappointed in the evo, then...
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Old 07-13-2004, 03:16 PM   #11
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Thanks for all the info guys. I'll see how it pans out in the coming weeks. going to look at the STi in a few days.
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Old 07-13-2004, 03:51 PM   #12
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I will add my 2cents and just say that i love my STi man. The only thing that needs a little work in my oppinion is the suspension. STi Pinks, strut tops, front and rear sway bars will do the trick though. I dont think you will be dissapointed with a few $ toward aftermarket parts..the car is very fun to drive. I really think you should go for it, i doubt you will be dissapointed. Not to mention the Suby community is the best out there! Good luck in whatever you decide to do. Jared
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:00 PM   #13
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Those invoice #s sound high to me,,check out kelly or edmunds
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Old 07-13-2004, 04:12 PM   #14
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Don't forget the rear cup holders on the '05 .

Quote:
Originally posted by grippgoat
As for 2005 vs. 2004, there's a big list, of which I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff:
Helical front diff, as opposed to whatever was in there before
Different steering rack mounts, may or may not be better.
Different (I think cleaner/classier) interior
17x8 5x115.3 wheels, instead of 17x7.5 5x100 wheels (good)
Bigger/stronger wheel bearings (very good)
Aluminum rear lateral links (good, I think)
Rear fender flare (I like it, but might just be because I feel cool having it and the 2004 people not)
More rear tire clearance to rear fender (see rear fender flare)
Slightly different badges/stickers on the exterior
Stock stereo
35 pounds heavier
Plastic underbody panels along the sides (I guess to reduce tire noise or something)

-Mike
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Old 07-14-2004, 01:06 AM   #15
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Quote:
Originally posted by stokedxiv
hey guys. I'm in the market for a new toy and i am seriously considering a 2005 STi. i got an online quote from my local dealer, after i priced one out online. the options i included were:
short throw shifter
boost gauge
wheel locks
auto dimming mirror and compass
security system upgrade

And was told this:

This vehicle has a MSRP of $34,535.00. You can purchase this car for $800.00 over the Factory Invoice. Thus your price is 32,329.00.

So really in my opinion, that's not a bad deal. especially for a brand new 2005.

but i have a few questions, before i go dropping all that coin.

1) what options are really worth it? should i get the full guage set? i like the little column boost guage, but i figured i'd add my own guages and center pod later. what about the engine options like the battery and block heater and all that?

2) how are these cars holding up for you guys? i dont want to be at the dealer every week getting another thing worked out.

3) this wouldn't be my daily driver. it would be more of a weekend toy, track car. but i'm wondering if i should go with this or a fun 2 seater. I am, and have been a FD3S rotorhead for years now, and i just sold my last FD. The STi is the only other car i would consider, but since i have a Daily, i was wondering if a 4 door racer is really what i'm looking for? what are your overall impressions of your car? i want to hear from the guys that have some experience with them.

and finally, just give me some opinions. i'm looking for all the info i can to help me make my decision. are there any new things coming for 2005 compared to the 04 models?

thanks guys, and sorry for so many questions
and i did search, but couldnt find exactly what i was looking for.

Charlie
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if you only drive it on weekends like a toy, why not buy Z350 and add a turbo?
it should be much more fun and cool.

reason i bought STI because it has power and it can take me go to snowboarding durig winter
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Old 07-14-2004, 01:11 PM   #16
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I had a roommate who had a 350z. I think I'd take an STI over a 350z any day. Unless it was going to really be a track-only car, and I was going to mod it a lot. The STI has a nicer interior than the 350z, in my opinion. And I just love the way all wheel drive pulls out of corners.

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Old 07-14-2004, 02:01 PM   #17
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If you are looking for a toy / track car I think that an STi or EVO is a great option.

At road atlanta, stock STi's pace with stock C5s.
s2k and 350s are about the same price as a STi/EVO but they are slower.

RWD does have its additional fun factor though (sliding sideways). Is drifting a consideration for the "toy" part of your equation?
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Old 07-14-2004, 04:37 PM   #18
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heh, you would be disappointed in the evo, then...

True...but I would have spent less.....
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Old 07-14-2004, 04:38 PM   #19
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if you only drive it on weekends like a toy, why not buy Z350 and add a turbo?
it should be much more fun and cool.
....and tons more expensive.
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Old 07-14-2004, 09:43 PM   #20
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Hey good luck with your decision, the market for high performance cars has expended greatly just in the past few years making choices very difficult. I have had my STi for almost a year now and have to say I think I will always have it in my garage. The car is a daily driver, drove it to Sebring, Fla and back (with no radio), been to track days, auto cross, drag strip, late night drifting in the snow and the list goes on. The point being that in stock form it is potent in all these forums and Subaru is trying to make a great vehicle better with small upgrades on the 05. Yeah some parts are limited now but the same problem existed when the 04 STi came out only worse. Once all the parts get on the market you can surely tune the car to any style of driving you want. But anyway as I said good luck, just figured I throw some more comments into the mix. Hope to see in a STi though in the delaware valley

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