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View Poll Results: Which would be best?
225/50 BFGoodrich KD's 6 40.00%
215/45 Falken Azenis 4 26.67%
Other (please list and why) 5 33.33%
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:06 PM   #1
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Since the search function seems to operate on the lucky lottery basis now, my researching ability has been shut down. Either that, or I wait till 3AM or something. I'd rather sleep during that time, so I pose to you this issue on my mind.

After a day at the track, I nuked my track tires (g-Force KD's with too little tire pressure in them). They treated me real well during the day and never squeeling or breaking loose (besides that one time in turn 2, but the instructor was pushing me to go a bit wider into that turn).

So, before I go back to the track, I need a new set of tires. But it has been a tough decision process. I'm game with going back to a set of BFGoodrich KD's, but they are on the expensive side.

There was a turbo'd miata there as well running on Azenis and not having any issues either. But, I've heard people say that azenis are better suited for the auto-x field. That is coming from WRX owners, and I read about a GC8 owner who was more than happy with the Azenis. And they are considerably cheaper than the KD's (just not in the size I'm originally looking for).

Will 215/45 16's be an issue on the track? I fit 225's on the track rims (MY98 gold's) before, so I know it can be done. But, will the azenis be able to hold up to the track? (in the hot, humid south as well)

I haven't found any definitive evidence to say "no", so I'm polling you guys. Any help would be great.

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Old 07-14-2004, 01:30 PM   #2
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The Miata may not have had much of a problem with the Azenis because its a smaller/lighter car. I've been told that with a WRX the Azenis can loose a lot of grip when they heat up. I've personally never used them on a track.
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Old 07-14-2004, 02:00 PM   #3
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Thanks for the input on that one. And I agree completely. I've read the Azenis don't like the heat, and I'm sure heat + heavier car = trouble in general.

And I don't feel ready for R comounds yet. All they do is take mistakes by below average drivers and allow them to continue making them. I don't feel I'm a below average track driver, but with only one day ( 120+ minutes of track time ) under my belt, I'd rather get a little more experianced before jumping to something stickier.

Looks like I'll be going back to the KD's. No issues from me. If it's a single purchase of $500+ as apposed to $350 added to $500 due to a poor decision, I'll opt for the lower of the two.

Thanks for the input.

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Old 07-14-2004, 06:07 PM   #4
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Have you checked out the Kumho MX? They are great tires on the track, and handle the temps extremely well. I have personally put them through lots of hell and have no problems vouching for them.

I'm running the 225/50-16 on a set of 16x7 wheels.
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:51 PM   #5
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I had not heard that. Thanks for the input, and I'll definitely consider them now.

I had heard them used as a Falken replacement in auto-x, but nothing track related.

Thanks again, and now to do some more research.

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Old 07-15-2004, 08:06 AM   #6
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I pick the Azenis over the MX.
I have ran both the Azenis $86.00(205/55-16) and the $119.00 MX(215/45-17) on track. The MX is a tad better than the Azenis at temperature, but I prefer to run the Azenis when it comes to bang for the buck.
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Old 07-15-2004, 08:26 AM   #7
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That is one other thing - the Kumho MX in 225/50-16 is a VERY wide tire. I don't remember the section width off-hand, but it is wider than most. You might check into any possible rubbing issues.

I think it's pretty well established though that the MX handles high track temps better than the Azenis do. Of course each person's experience will be different.
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Old 07-15-2004, 01:30 PM   #8
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Old 07-15-2004, 09:40 PM   #9
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I had the 225's on my car before and I had some slight issues with rubbing, but nothing huge.

And I'd go with the Falken's, only that they will probably be used down in Savannah, GA, in temps probably no lower than 85degF (gotta love summer in the south).

The KD's held up well, minus the lack of pressure. The MX's are $30 cheaper on average, and it sounds like people are pleased with them. While they don't have the dry grip that the KD's do, they have a better wet traction ability. I'm not planning on running in the rain, but storms like to pop up at the worst times.

I'll do a write up on my next track day experiances on the MX's.

Thanks for the inputs.

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Old 07-16-2004, 05:13 PM   #10
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i ran my STi with stock re070's and i had no problems. 7 30 min sessions. and auto xed the snot out of them also. i like them.
i had falken azenis on my fmII miata. i loved them. very nice.
i would go with the miachelin pilot cups , or potenza so3's there nice too.
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Old 07-20-2004, 01:32 PM   #11
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the re070's are freakin awesome track tires. super sticky, really really stiff sidewalls, and big tread blocks. people complain about their wet performance, but if you drive like a jacka55 in wet weather not many tires are going to be awesome or anything.
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I've heard that the Azenis don't take lots of heat very well.
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Old 07-22-2004, 02:47 PM   #13
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the re070's are freakin awesome track tires. super sticky, really really stiff sidewalls, and big tread blocks. people complain about their wet performance, but if you drive like a jacka55 in wet weather not many tires are going to be awesome or anything.
The 070's are **** it in the wet, and not because of the driving style, but because of their brake-away characteristic.

They are very grippy in the wet upto the point of slippage, but once they brake away, HANG ON! They slide like crazy leaving you with a very thin margin for control while sliding! It is also very easy to spin out during accelaration and out of turns unless the diff is in "manual" mode with atleast 35% lock. Once you've tracked the tires a few times it gets even worse from the heat cycling.

In contrast my Hakka 2's have less overall grip in the wet, but have excellent grip while sliding! Very predictable as they break away, and have a very smooth transition from grip to slip. What this equates to is far more confidence...and fun ...when things get slippy.
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Old 07-22-2004, 09:26 PM   #14
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i ran my STi with stock re070's and i had no problems. 7 30 min sessions. and auto xed the snot out of them also. i like them.
i had falken azenis on my fmII miata. i loved them. very nice.
i would go with the miachelin pilot cups , or potenza so3's there nice too.
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I took my re070'sto streets of willow...

they were okay until they heated up, then I was jsut sliding all over the place. they have no traction whatsoever when run hard. I guess autoX is okay, but if you're going to a track, it's better to get diff tires. the yokohama avs sport tires that I'm using now are far superior to the RE's...

if you're looking for even better track tires and don't mind the low treadwear, Yokohama A048's are AWSOME! my friend's Supra had them and it felt like the car wan on rails going around the corners.
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