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Old 10-23-2000, 11:05 PM   #1
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Post struts, STi vs AGX

Anyone had the opportunity to try BOTH ?

I was pretty decided on the AGX's but in referrence to the current group buy I cant help but consider the STi's for that price.

PS, teamed up with H&R springs, ALK, Adj rear bar...
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Old 10-24-2000, 06:31 AM   #2
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I have the AGX's but if I were to buy it all over again I would buy the STi's.

Why?...
1. Since I have found the setting that suits my driving, I don't ever adjust the AGX's anymore.
2. The STi's are tuned specifiacally(sp) for the Impreza's chassis.
3. The STi's have the ABS bracket.
4. The STi's are a better buy.
5. The Sti's have a larger piston and an inverted shaft.

Just my opinion!
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Old 10-24-2000, 06:51 AM   #3
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If you don't autoX and you the adjustability, you're better off with a standard shock like the STi.
For me I love tinkering and experimenting different settings. What works man. Go for it! Also the Sti is more superior in terms of designs. But unless you're a pro driver you can't tell jack b/t a Walmart Monroe strut with a Bilstein anyways....just by driving around town. It's all up in the head if you ask me.
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Old 10-24-2000, 07:12 AM   #4
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I agree with Gambit, if you just drive the car on public roads, get the STi's. If you autox the car, get the KYB's because you can run comfy settings on the street & stiff ones at the track. If you rallyx the car, get DMS's or something hard core that is adjustable and can stand up to the abuse.
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Old 10-24-2000, 07:16 AM   #5
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Woohoo, now I'm one of the top 3 posters... wait, am I supposed to be proud of something like that?
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Old 10-24-2000, 07:23 AM   #6
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i have to disagree...

i have driven both... on the track and on the street... i have to say the AGX's felt better overall - the STi's don't strike me as much over "stock" - I can't "really" feel a huge difference in cornering ability & car control... but then again...

the AGX's set up had H&R springs - which i am sure made a huge difference in the feel of the car...

for around town?? you pay MORE for the Sti and get less feedback... um... that doesn't make sense to me... get the KYB's for $300 give or take... you dont like them?? sell them for $200 - save up for something else...

u pay a load for the STi's - if you dont' like them... good luck coming close to breaking even...

just fooood for thought...

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Old 10-24-2000, 07:34 AM   #7
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Uhm, Jamie, I don't mean to be a PITA here.... BUT Subaruparts.com has the the Ver. 5 struts for $71.96/per. That comes out to $288 plus shipping. About the same as the KYBs.
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Old 10-24-2000, 08:00 AM   #8
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I have the STI/H&R combo. I think it's a great setup..but I haven't compared it to anything except stock.

I was worried about the AGX's because of the amount of drop using the H&R Springs. Also, someone posted that the shorter stroke of the STI unit would be a better match for lowering springs.

Hopefully, during the New England meet this weekend, I'll get the chance to compare my set up with some other ones.

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Old 10-24-2000, 08:00 AM   #9
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$71.96/per. That comes out to $288 plus shipping....
really??? wow!!! I had no idea! thanks...

ok... well then there ya go! that's a pretty good deal... now u just have to decide what ya want....

the H&R's did work w/the KYB's BTW.... i ran that car on the track, rallyx - street... er... but i did blow out 1 strut - replaced under warranty - not sure that had anything to do with the springs tho. likely it was allllll me and my driving...

cya!

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Old 10-24-2000, 09:26 AM   #10
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I saw those struts on subaruparts.com, but I thought they were just WRX struts, and not the STI V5 ones? I am really not sure how to tell the difference, or if there even is a difference?

Does anyone know?

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Old 10-24-2000, 10:24 AM   #11
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V5 inverted vs stock:

no difference? did the STi V5 car have stock springs (if that was the case, it would handle poorly)

My personal car has the STi V5 setup and we have three Impreza RS fleet cars, the difference is night and day.

the stock cars feel like spongy wet noodles compared to my V5 suspended car.

sure you can make the AGX stiff as H3LL on 4/8, but your car will be a dynamic nightmare.

the V5s ride (at least on the road surfaces around here) will be unacceptable to 95% of the general public, but is exactly what I wanted, and still more supple than my last sports car (Porsche 944) due to the most part to the increased travel.

You do have to take into account different rear sway bars when making the comparison, which I feel I have done.

my $.02

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Old 10-24-2000, 10:56 AM   #12
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Get the STi then. I like adjustabilities.
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Old 10-24-2000, 11:40 AM   #13
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Ah yes...the STi/WRX Version 5 struts issue...

Well, here is the deal.

There are 2 sets of Version 5 struts you can buy...
WRX Version 5 (WRX)
STi-WRX Version 5 (STi)

The WRX are the struts most commonly sold from our vendors. They are the stock struts from the WRX Version 5 Impreza. They are red, inverted...and downright great.

The STi struts are a LOT more expensive...they are the "aftermarket" (like MOPAR is to Dodge, SVT is to Ford) struts that come with the STi-WRX Version 5 car. These ones are pink. A couple people sell them, for roughly $1200 I THINK. Check with WRXgirl (Pam) for prices at ISR.

I cannot specifically tell you what the difference between the two is, other than color and price. I assume the STi ones would be more "performance" oriented.

I have the WRX Version 5 red struts with 5zigen progressive springs. Personally I love this setup. They are a bit harsh when going over large dips in the road...and a bit stiff on the street...but not bad enough for me (or any passengers so far) to complain. At Thunderhill...they behaved PERFECTLY. Really showed me the limitations of the stock tires! Highly suggested (from me) if you are planning on doing a sorta step by step suspension set up. A perfect first set IMHO.

Deepbeep used the same springs with KYB AGX adjustable struts...and his car dropped a LOT...enough to rub his stock size tires while on the track. I got a...roughly...1 1/2 inch drop...just enough to look nice.

I went with the WRX struts 'cause I wanted them strong, reliable, inverted, and large...plus they are straight from the Version 5 car so I know they will fit and be of good quality.

Oh yeah...one more little side note. The WRX struts are made by....KYB.

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Old 10-24-2000, 05:00 PM   #14
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aren't the strut's/springs on subaruparts.com the "sti" v.5? they are pink... hence it would follow that they are the sti--not the wrx (which would be red). they are around $460 total, hence if they are the sti v.5, i will buy them.
who has bought them? who knows...
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Old 10-24-2000, 05:29 PM   #15
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there are WRX-STi Ver5 struts, then there are STi "aftermarket" struts.
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Old 10-24-2000, 05:30 PM   #16
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dcrawford, you made my day. I've been looking for those exact words to come out of someone's mouth. Only a matter of time now...
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Old 10-24-2000, 06:53 PM   #17
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No problem...I am here to help!

And regarding those "pink" struts on subaruparts.com page...nope! Those are NOT the STi...those are WRX. I know 'cause...I bought 'em...and they are definitely red. The picture just makes 'em look pink. I got pretty excited about that one too.

But the WRX struts...they rock. Like I said before...a perfect "first" suspension strut.

If you plan on using the car for auto-x I would suggest the AGX struts. They offer that adjustablity to fine tune the car. I BELIEVE that putting the WRX struts on your car (being inverted) will knock you into a different painful class.

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Old 10-25-2000, 07:14 AM   #18
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I think the WRX struts (ver. 5 wutevah) is prety much the same as the KYB GR-2 shocks. And it's the same as the AGX setting of 2f/4r I think. Please don't stone the messenger.
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Old 10-25-2000, 07:20 AM   #19
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thanks for clearing this up guys...

i knew that was really, really cheap for the "pink" struts... which is what i have driven on...

anyway... either one will do... and like the gang said, get the AGX's if you plan on autox, rallyx or really hard driving.

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Old 10-25-2000, 10:10 AM   #20
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Ok, well to continue on this informative topic...how hard is it to adjust the KYB/AGX's once they're on the car? Does one have to remove the wheels each time?

I'm considering getting the KYB's myself, so I'd like to know in advance.

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Old 10-25-2000, 10:14 AM   #21
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It's very easy..... You wil be provided with a small screw driver for your front struts. YOu just turn the settings via the screwdriver.
THe rear's tricky as there are knobs on it. YOu dial them in. I never jack the car up. I just crawl underneath the car to adjust the rears. Now with a lowered car..... that be problematic if you're a bit on the err.... big boned side.
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Old 10-25-2000, 10:29 AM   #23
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I wouldn't give up my AGX's unless it was for another set of struts with even more adjustability.
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Old 10-25-2000, 11:40 AM   #24
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I have debated the V5 vs AGX dampers for quite a while, but some words of experience from some local RS drivers made up my mind for me. The AGX's are great IF you don't plan on really going that low from the stock ride height. Matter of fact, I think the AGX's might be even slightly TALLER than the stock dampers. But if you lower the car quite a bit (which the H&R's did to my 2.5GT...1.5" drop), then the AGX's are terrible under those conditions. Ask Tony Powell...he has Ground Control setup, and he had to RAISE the car up to get the AGX's to do anything. When it was dropped about 1.5", the ride was terrible.

The V5 dampers are designed to work with the shorter stroke, so that's what sold me. YMMV.

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Old 10-25-2000, 11:51 AM   #25
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I've been happy with my AGXs in the 18+ months I've had them on, but if I bought again today it would be the STi5 struts.

Wasn't even an option when I bought, as Mike Shields was selling new or slightly used STi5 suspensions for $1200-1500. Now you can get the same setup brand new for less than $600... But anyway, I would probably use Tein medium springs with them.
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