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Old 07-20-2004, 10:24 PM   #1
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The title says it all. I've never owned a turbo, never driven one 'til this last weekend, when I test drove a WRX (both styles), an STi and a Legacy GT. Normally, I'm a low-end-torque, V8, rear wheel drive type. I've had 3 Mustangs, but I've kind of had my fill of Fords, and I'm willing to try something else - but I need to know I'm choosing the right one.

Impressions? The WRX was hard to drive: nothing happens until about 3500 RPM; very easy to be in too high a gear. Outcorners and outbrakes the Mustang, but then, what car doesn't?

STi: It's something else, definitely, and the acceleration (especially from cruising speed to passing speed) was astonishing, but it seemed to me the "power flow" wasn't smooth. It built fast, then leveled off, then surged again getting close to redline. Just my imagination? It also "yawed" while upshifting: letting off the gas, it pulled left, then geting back on it, it pulled back to the right. I thought the throttle/pulling thing that used to be a problem with front-wheel drives had been solved.

Here's the real question for me: No doubt the STi is an attention-getter, and it's probably mostly not the kind of attention you want. STi owners, what has your experience been in this regard? The dealer had a used one they CLAIMED the owner got rid of because there had already been numerous attempts to steal it, and the cops were constantly pulling him over just so they could look at it. The difference in MSRP (Albuquerque) is around $7000. Is it worth it, all things considered?

How long should one of these cars last? I don't see too many old Subarus on the road.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:48 PM   #2
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The STi is worth the price premium over the WRX for what you get with the STi, however that doesn't answer your question as to which you should pick. You don't really give much to go on as far as what you are looking for in a car.

You don't see that many old Subarus on the road because Subaru has never really sold that many cars per year. Subaru's yearly sales equal the number of trucks Ford sells in a month. They are out there.
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Old 07-21-2004, 06:32 PM   #3
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. The difference in MSRP (Albuquerque) is around $7000. Is it worth it, all things considered?
Well, you'd spend more than the $7k difference to 'upgrade' the WRX to STi performance. In general, if you think you'll buy the WRX and start upgrading immediately, the STi is a better value.

On the other hand, the $30k price range has a lot of other vehicles to consider... Some nearly as fast, most of them more luxurious.

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Old 07-23-2004, 09:06 AM   #4
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I bought a wrx, mainly for the heated seats and the moonroof. Given the chance (and if the crappy dealers would let me test drive the sti) I might have gotten the STI. I wanted performance and comfort. Now I realize I have too much turbo lag just for little comforts. If you can afford the gas, the insurance and the increase montly payments, I would get the STI. As for stealing? As long as your cautious and dont park in bad neighborhoods, with the windows down, out in middle of nowhere, you should be fine. Most cars stolen are hodas cause they can interexchange parts, plus stock dont have alarms. As for cops pulling you over? I drive a wrx and I get pulled over about 6 times now (had the car since jan). Cops thinks we are "fast and furious". So either way you'll get pulled over.....
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Old 07-23-2004, 10:20 AM   #5
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The title says it all. I've never owned a turbo, never driven one 'til this last weekend, when I test drove a WRX (both styles), an STi and a Legacy GT. Normally, I'm a low-end-torque, V8, rear wheel drive type. I've had 3 Mustangs, but I've kind of had my fill of Fords, and I'm willing to try something else - but I need to know I'm choosing the right one.

Impressions? The WRX was hard to drive: nothing happens until about 3500 RPM; very easy to be in too high a gear. Outcorners and outbrakes the Mustang, but then, what car doesn't?

STi: It's something else, definitely, and the acceleration (especially from cruising speed to passing speed) was astonishing, but it seemed to me the "power flow" wasn't smooth. It built fast, then leveled off, then surged again getting close to redline. Just my imagination? It also "yawed" while upshifting: letting off the gas, it pulled left, then geting back on it, it pulled back to the right. I thought the throttle/pulling thing that used to be a problem with front-wheel drives had been solved.

Here's the real question for me: No doubt the STi is an attention-getter, and it's probably mostly not the kind of attention you want. STi owners, what has your experience been in this regard? The dealer had a used one they CLAIMED the owner got rid of because there had already been numerous attempts to steal it, and the cops were constantly pulling him over just so they could look at it. The difference in MSRP (Albuquerque) is around $7000. Is it worth it, all things considered?

How long should one of these cars last? I don't see too many old Subarus on the road.
<<<< as for which one to buy its up to if you are going to upgrade soon or later if are a later person a STi is what I recommend, for the sheer power it comes off the lot....as for soon its really up to you as with Sti performance parts are just starting to come in stock or being worked on. and with it being 6spd and 2.5block instead of 2.0 alot for potential.

as for older subaru's on the road Albuquerque I would think that is a place not to many people would drive one as for places like maine and Asheville near me I see almost as many subarus than i see honda on the road... they are a long lasting car.. motor does last long than the body...


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I drive a wrx and I get pulled over about 6 times now (had the car since jan). Cops thinks we are "fast and furious". So either way you'll get pulled over.....
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Old 07-23-2004, 01:51 PM   #6
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I bought the WRX an kinda wish i would have gone with the STI...
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Old 07-24-2004, 10:55 PM   #7
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Thanks for the replies. I wasn't back sooner because my computer crashed. Twice. The second time was when it "crashed" against the back of the dumpster.

As for upgrading, I probably would end up wanting to, but there's a big difference between these cars and the '60s cars I cut my teeth on. So that means STi, I guess.

Is there anything about these cars I should know? Any problems they're prone to have?
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Old 07-25-2004, 02:03 PM   #8
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well 02-03(not sure if the 04-04's do) wrx have a clutch shutter problem with the stock, but who keeps it stock.. another that is starting to be known is wheelbearing problem that we hope SUBARU will get involved with, but other than that its a pretty sound car/s
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:47 AM   #9
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WRX wagon is what i've got. Good performance stock, good platform for upgrades, extra space for hauling stuff, and not a cop magnet (i've never been pulled over in my wrx). The STI is obviously the better performer and more HP can be added to it much easier and cheaper than with the WRX. But as for your fear of thieves and cops, I would not get the STI and live with the paranoia of that. Plus the insurance is much cheaper on a WRX wagon.
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Old 08-09-2004, 05:02 PM   #10
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If you're over 25 and can handle the insurance, i'd say STi.

Also the 300hp the STi puts out is straight from the factory and under warranty. To get that extra power out of the WRX you'll be voiding your warranty to get there...

But if you're good with cars and the warranty isn't an issue you can easily take care of the "turbo lag" under 3500 rpm with afew well chosen exhaust components. Plus, some people enjoy putting in the time and effort that comes with modifying your car. Nearly every piece on the STi can be swapped onto the WRX. With the $7000 you save by getting a WRX you will have plenty of $$$ to make the WRX "more fun". You'll be hard pressed to reach STi performance levels, but you can get pretty close and not have to pay as much with insurance.

As for the STi being a cop magnet, you can just pull a trunklid swap or spoiler swap with someone to lose the wing, debadge it a little bit, and put some factory foglamps in.

The only thing really going against the WRX is the "weak" gearbox. But you can get an STi RA Gearset and swap them in for abit under $2000. ($1300 for the gears, $300-500 for labor)

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Old 08-10-2004, 08:55 AM   #11
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I went from 95 Mustang (with 20k in mods) to the WRX and then the STi (The WRX was a commuter car while the Stang was in the garage gathering dust.)

I got the STi for many of the reasons you seem to be looking at also. it is a solid performer out of the box. It can be all weather. 4 doors for the ankle biter.

I have never been stopped (knock on wood) but I don't drive stupid. I have had some problems with gawkers, but noting serious.



BTW - I have noticed the yaw you mentioned - it is unnervy - I am used to the tail wag from the mustang, but this is very different.
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Old 08-10-2004, 10:54 AM   #12
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BTW - I have noticed the yaw you mentioned - it is unnervy - I am used to the tail wag from the mustang, but this is very different.
I understand a $30 urethane steering rack bushing set cures this issue but I have not tried it yet
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Old 08-23-2004, 12:34 PM   #13
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Is there anything about these cars I should know? Any problems they're prone to have?
take a long test drive in an STi and make sure you like the ride quality. the car can bounce a little on just the right roads and at just the right speeds.

both cars are great. let your commute decide, if it's going to be a commuter
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Old 08-23-2004, 02:50 PM   #14
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I understand a $30 urethane steering rack bushing set cures this issue but I have not tried it yet
It is on my list of things to do!
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Old 09-08-2004, 02:08 AM   #15
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Wow - been offline for 5 or 6 weeks. Haven't made a move yet, but still thinking about it.
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Old 09-30-2004, 07:20 PM   #16
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I have steering rack bushing set... it helped a lot.
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