Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday May 3, 2015
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Click here to visit TireRack
Tire & Wheel Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack

Losing traction? Need new tires?
Click here to visit the NASIOC Upgrade Garage...
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Tire & Wheel

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-22-2004, 12:03 PM   #1
dward
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 58979
Join Date: Apr 2004
Default best summer tire you can get 30k out of?

I know that none of the 'top' summer tires will last more than 10-15k.... so given that, what tire is the best of those that would last 20-30k?

I've got pilot sport a/s on now, and they need to be replaced..... since I now live where is snow isn't going to be an issue (williamsburg, va), at least not much, I figure I should get some decent summer tires on my 17's and use the stockers during the couple months there is much snow/cold.

I can't afford to replace both sets of rims, so I'll be stuck with the 92's for winter, and I'll need to find some summers that would last a bit.

any ideas on the best choices?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
dward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2004, 12:22 PM   #2
subieworx
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 47769
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Default

30K miles doesn't leave you many options other than all seasons. 20K miles out of summer performance tires is good. If you want something semi decent in dry and great in wet and will even work in snow, the Falken Ziex 512's would work. They don't offer much dry grip as compared to other tires, but will last a while.
subieworx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2004, 01:27 PM   #3
dward
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 58979
Join Date: Apr 2004
Default

yeah, I may just go for the 'cheaper' summer tires on my 17's, and plan on replacing them more often and eventually put some conti extreme/htr+ on my stock rims

anyone have the fuzion's? are they even worth considering as a cheaper summer tire?
dward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2004, 02:02 PM   #4
subieworx
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 47769
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Default

I have some ES100's I'll sell you for cheap. They are 225 45 17 and have about 75% tread life left.
subieworx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2004, 02:49 PM   #5
dward
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 58979
Join Date: Apr 2004
Default

thanks for the offer.... but I'm probably going with 215's - I had some bubble issues on my P7's with the pilot a/s in 225.... (and I have a wagon) - although from what I understand, rubbing is only an offset issue, so maybe that really wouldn't be a problem for me, as I don't rub now with the pilots.

I suppose the pzero m/s is probably the best choice, since I'll get more tread out of them - just seems a shame to have two sets of rims and not use them!

I would ask how bad the 92's are in the snow, but even when new, they are so worthless even in dry, I don't need to ask! so either way I'll need to replace both sets if I'm going to move to summer only tires on my 17's.....
dward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2004, 03:04 PM   #6
subieworx
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 47769
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Default

Rubbing is more of an offset issue. If you can find 17" rims that are et 53 225's with fit fine. If the offset is more liek 48 225's may rub.
subieworx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2004, 05:55 PM   #7
Avedis
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8171
Join Date: Jul 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Mountlake Terrace
Vehicle:
2005 WRX STi
Blue / Gold

Default

I hear Firestone Firehawk SZ50-EP tires have a relatively long life, and tenacious grip (especially for how long they last), but I have no firsthand experience with them. I've heard them called the longer-lasting little brother of the s03 PP.
Avedis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2004, 03:13 PM   #8
hal9k
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 65521
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Cowtown, TX.
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Wagon
Black/Taupe

Default

Bang for the buck, Kumho Ecsta Supra 712s hands down. Great stick in the dry, pretty good in the wet. I got ~25K out of a set on a 95 GS-R driven VERY hard for their entire stint. I should mention I saw some feathering on the inside edge, plus excessive wear on the inside edge as well. The former issue seems to be Civic/Integra related, and the latter was due to incorrect toe. Seems the Integra needs its toe set to the outer (most positive) limit or slightly beyond, otherwise it chews up inside edges in the front. I ran Sumitomo HTRZ IIs on my car before I sold it, and they weren't as satisfying. It took a while (~500 miles) before the mold sheen wore off, and during that time they were downright spooky in the wet. Also, they were much more susceptible to heat cycle degradation than the Kumhos, so the last 6 months or so they were very greasy under braking, to the point that the ABS kicked in under much less than panic conditions, even tho they weren't on the wear bars. They didn't seem to lose much sideways grip however. Weird. Anyway, I will definitely consider the Kumhos when it's time to ditch the RE92s on my LGTL. Hope this helps...
hal9k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2004, 03:26 PM   #9
Luke@tirerack
Tire Rack Moderator
 
Member#: 1215
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: The Tire Rack
Vehicle:
800 -428-8355
ext. 4362

Default

RE750's from Bridgestone are some the best wearing summer tires I have seen
Luke@tirerack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2004, 06:22 PM   #10
ratt_finkel
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 46218
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Dallas, Tejas
Vehicle:
06 EVO 9
Silver

Default

Unless you're auto-x. I think even a Maximum performance tire could last 30k miles. And if you know how to drive, you should be able to handle them in the snow as well.
ratt_finkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2004, 07:06 PM   #11
poison
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 37678
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Default

Max performace in the snow? But only if you know how to drive?

Youre funny, man
poison is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2004, 07:41 PM   #12
2Stroke
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 36712
Join Date: May 2003
Location: RHE, SoCal
Vehicle:
2003 WRX Wagon
WRB

Default

I had 17,000 miles on a set of T1-S Toyos until last week, when something about the size of a small cigar went thru the right rear. Before that, I was thinking that they would go to ~24k. I replaced them with the Toyo Proxes 4. There wasn't much info on this board or anywhere else about them, but what there was seemed good, and I wanted to get a little less spendy with tires for the wagon.

Initial impressions: More slip angle than my worn-down T1-S under high lateral load, requiring noticeably more steering input as I approach the limit. The limit isn't quite as high. They are very quiet in a straight line, but noisier than the T1-S during cornering. The ride is comfortable. They don't tramline at all. They look like they won't hydroplane, but it hasn't rained since I got them. The T1-S has a treadwear rating of 280, the Proxes 4 is 300.

I've recorded max cornering g-force in this car with the T1-S in 215/45-17 and with Falken Azenis Sports in 205/55-16 on the stock rims, which I still have. I'll do a full review of the Proxes 4 once I get a bit more time with them, and have taken the same empirical measurements, using a G-Tech Comp meter.

I'd recommend them, in fact I would buy them again knowing what I know now, but remember I've only driven on the tires noted above, and of course the RE-92's. Hope this helps.
2Stroke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2004, 08:55 PM   #13
Uncle Scotty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16200
Join Date: Mar 2002
Vehicle:
OK buy Nates beans
westcoastroasting.com

Default

Kumho 712's and HTRzII's are J U N K.

The best bet for long treadwear in a higher performance may be the Falken ST-115.
A friend had them on his WRX for a LONG time....20+k miles that I know about and were on the car when he bought it and were on the car when he sold it....and were still on the car 6 months later....

I got 22k out of my Kumho MX's before I HAD to buy new tires due to a screw killing one...and I'd have got 2-3k more out of them anyway.....and I drive pretty hard
Uncle Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2004, 08:58 PM   #14
Night Kid
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 13100
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Lynnwood, WA
Vehicle:
2002 Impreza WRX
Aspen White

Default

Do not drive in snow on summer tires. Traction wise, you will be ok but you will not be able to brake at all.

Anyways, check out Falken ST115. they seem to have pretty good tread wear rating for a ultra high performance summer tire. Around 340 I believe.
Night Kid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2004, 06:48 AM   #15
Siper2
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 1134
Join Date: Mar 2000
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Dillsburg, PA
Vehicle:
2007 BMW 328xi wagon
Silver

Impreza GC8

Absolutely never, EVER drive in the winter on summer tires. Keep that in your mind as a general rule for the rest of your life. Muy importante.


I've gotten probably 45,000 miles out of my Dunlop SP9000s. Bought them in April of 2002. They'll be toast by this October when I take them off, but they'll still have more tread on them than most people have, when they take tires off. (A lot of people who don't know, run tires 'til they're bald or worse.)


It all depends how you drive though, obviously. Some people only get a few days out of a set if they autocross hard. Others, like me, get three summers, including a hell of a lot of 12+ hour road trips.

=S2=
Siper2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2004, 11:33 AM   #16
zmw
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 13181
Join Date: Dec 2001
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: The Schlit
Vehicle:
97 Supra
FAST

Default

I have the fuzion ZRi's 235/35/19 - Every review I have read of this tire is stellar, so far I'm fairly impressed, grip is good (although not re070 like) wet weather performance is very good, tire is pretty impressive in standing water and heavy rain. We never see snow here so I can't tell you. They carry a treadwear of 340 I think so they should be good for AT LEAST 30k. My other alternative was the Azenis stsomething or others.... they are a 360 treadwear, although I have heard mixed reports about this tire....

I chose the fuzion because 1. It's a bridgestone tire, with full uni-T construction, 2. High treadwear, clearly i'm not going to run my 19s at events and auto-x, 3. every (literally EVERY) review I have read was positive.... 4. It's a fairly inexpensive tire, not the cheapest but certainly not pilot priced...

Peace - Z
zmw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2004, 04:00 PM   #17
RA29
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 30598
Join Date: Dec 2002
Vehicle:
2000 Lancer Evo 6
Hot Pink

Default

In one of the Monte Carlo WRC events, Colin McRae chose Slicks(big mistake) and had to drive with Slick tires over snow/ice in the mountains.

He did pretty decent actually and didnt crash.
RA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2004, 01:34 AM   #18
cfwdfw
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5046
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Olympia, WA, USA
Vehicle:
'97 Legacy gt 5 spd
Deep Saphire Blue Sedan

Default This tire will reach 30 K

If you can find any ... firestone SZ 50 EP's ... as Firestone/Bridgestone is no longer making these ...

Very good summer tire and wears very well !!

Charlie
cfwdfw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2004, 07:55 AM   #19
Karl
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 13110
Join Date: Dec 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Rhode Island
Default

Do not drive summer tires in any snow or even cold weather.

The guy's location is Dallas. I don't think you should listen to someone who lives in Dallas for snow driving advice.

And to stay on topic, I suggest Toyo Proxes T-1S. They are a little pricey, but at least the set I had on my Miata wore very well for a long time (I think I got around 25k miles out of them).
Karl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2004, 04:45 PM   #20
ratt_finkel
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 46218
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Dallas, Tejas
Vehicle:
06 EVO 9
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl
Do not drive summer tires in any snow or even cold weather.

The guy's location is Dallas. I don't think you should listen to someone who lives in Dallas for snow driving advice.

And to stay on topic, I suggest Toyo Proxes T-1S. They are a little pricey, but at least the set I had on my Miata wore very well for a long time (I think I got around 25k miles out of them).
And guess what? My first 6 years of driving were done in Michigan. Many times with bald tires.(Including an 86 GT with bald tires) And many times with Summer Tires. As long as you don't drive like a jackass. You will be fine.
ratt_finkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2004, 04:55 PM   #21
The Professor
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 23183
Join Date: Aug 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: PA
Vehicle:
2002 Cobb StageIIWRX
WR Blue

Default

The rubber compound in Summer tires is not meant for temps below 40 degrees f. Will they work......sure. But they are not designed for this. In similar fashion the tread is not designed for snow. So wrong tread + wrong rubber compound in the snow = a danger to all others on the road, you, and the car you claim to love so much. It's not really an argument, more like a common sense thing. We are not selling tires and nothing to gain from telling the guy not to run summer tires in the snow. We are saying it for his own good.
The Professor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2004, 05:08 PM   #22
dward
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 58979
Join Date: Apr 2004
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke@tirerack
RE750's from Bridgestone are some the best wearing summer tires I have seen

Thanks Luke, I'll take a look.... my big debate now is ride quality mostly. I love my current pilot sport a/s, but wish they were a) a touch more grip (don't get me wrong they are very good, but I'd like to try a summer tire) and b) a smoother ride - sidewalls are pretty stiff on them

to change the thread a touch, do folks agree that the firestone SZ 50 EP's would be the best in terms of a reasonable ride while still gripping?

If I decide to go with summer's on my 17's... I'm thinking that my current top three would be:

1) F-1 GS D3's
2) SZ 50 EP's
3) Getting the pilot sport a/s again and running them at 32/31.... but like I said, the ride could be a touch smoother and running lower pressure kills the advantage of this tire IMO

Or, saving the cash of replacing both summer and winter tires and going with the Pzero m/s on my 17's.....

too many choices..... not enough experience driving the different brands to judge for myself!

Thanks for all the info folks..... I appreciate it - dward
dward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2004, 08:09 PM   #23
Uncle Scotty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16200
Join Date: Mar 2002
Vehicle:
OK buy Nates beans
westcoastroasting.com

Default

SZ 50 EP's are and have been out of production for quite a while....good luck finding any.....

If you are considering the F-1 GS D3's, you may wish to look at the Falken FK-451's as a bit less costly alternative.

...and driving ANY performance tire at 32-31psi is just plain foolish.
You can't have your Cadillac ride and cat on carpet grip in the same tire at those pressures.
Uncle Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2004, 01:09 AM   #24
cfwdfw
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5046
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Olympia, WA, USA
Vehicle:
'97 Legacy gt 5 spd
Deep Saphire Blue Sedan

Default

Depending upon where you are ... you may or may not find any SZ 50 's ... I picked up an extra set (205.55.16's) this spring for less than 100 per tire ... but Uncle Scotty is correct ... you'll have to do some searching to find any ...

Many board members can vouch for these tires ... and I certianly can too ... that these tires give a very nice ride as well as being very good in wet and dry conditions ... autocross ... simply bump up the tire pressures ... In fact I prefer to run these when autocrossing in the wet over the Azeni Sports ...

good luck with you choice!

Charlie
cfwdfw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2004, 01:53 AM   #25
RA29
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 30598
Join Date: Dec 2002
Vehicle:
2000 Lancer Evo 6
Hot Pink

Default

Do you like the Michelin Pilot Sports A/S?
I had thought about getting those.
Do they offer good grip in the dry/wet?

I hear the Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S are pretty good too.
RA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTT sub Plus some cash for a set of tires you wanna get out of your garage evohuntinwrx MAIC Private Classifieds 0 03-25-2008 06:26 PM
In Vietnam you can be voted out of prison by other prisoners cooleyjb Off-Topic 4 01-10-2007 08:12 PM
what is the best stuff to use to get stains out of seats? waitandbleed92 Off-Topic 15 01-04-2004 09:00 PM
Best USGP tickets you can get-FACE VALUE! Streetman Motorsports 3 09-17-2003 08:43 AM
best performance tires you can get for the stock wrx wheels? db97 Brakes, Steering & Suspension 8 03-09-2003 01:51 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2015 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.