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Old 02-11-2001, 07:49 PM   #1
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Post Offroading the RS. Mods. Anyone, SubieGal? (long post)

I have a MY01 RS sedan and went offroading in the Mojave Desert this weekend. Mostly on sand trails that motorbikes use. The RS was awesome along most of the trails, except for the dips! Avoided those. Otherwise cool rooster tails and opposite lock drifts!

Anyways, I just had my new Bridgestone RE730 205/55/16 put in and I should be getting my 20mm FHI rear anti-sway bar on Tuesday. I would like to add springs (Eibach Sport or Pro's) to stiffen the suspension and lower the car a little bit. I understand that Eibach's are not as stiff as other manufacturers. So here are my questions:

1. For those that do occassional off-roading or rallying, is it best to leave it the stock height?
2. If I do get the Eibach springs, should I get the Sports or the Pros? Does anyone have these springs on the stock RS struts?
3. How good are the KYB AGX's for this kind of use (offroading occasionally).

This car is a daily driver, so I don't want an overly stiff ride. I had a MY98 Forester for 3 years and loved offroading that thing. Dusted a bunch of Jeep Cherokees and Chevy Yukons at Death Valley's Titus Canyon and some of the mining roads out there I really do plan on driving my RS on 70% of the roads that I took my old Forester, however, the Forester had a little bit more clearance Also, I am attending an autoX driving class in Pahrump, NV February 24-25 to see how well I drive and how well the RS performs. Maybe I'll get into autXing big time. Lastly, I want to attend the Rallycross & rally school in Ridgecrest, CA on March 24-25. I know that will be fun

Now that you know what I will do with the car, what are your thought on suspension. I think many of you (SubieGal) that rally seriously get coilovers, but that is a little expensive for me now. Plus I go offroading only accasionally, at least for now. Do you think Eibach springs on stock struts are okay or some other spring on some other strut?

Sorry for the long post, but I got the tires last week, will be getting a 20mm FHI rear bar, STi motor and tranny mounts, and Ganz intake w/K&N filter this week. I kind of want to get the suspension sorted out soon, so that I will have all of these things installed at the same time. Anyone want to come to Vegas and help? Thanks.

Cy
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Old 02-11-2001, 08:59 PM   #2
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Someone posted pics of their "jacked up" RS. Such is the beauty of adjustible coilovers.

The entry level CUSCOs, Teins, and APEX should all run you right around $1000-1300. I think that'd be the way to go if you have that kind of money...after all...it's not THAT much more than the AGX/Eibach combo.
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Old 02-11-2001, 10:14 PM   #3
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If you're going rallying, forget lowering the car I say. Just get some good shocks and some underbody armour.
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Old 02-12-2001, 07:51 AM   #4
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off roading... car lowered...

hehehe take it from me... this is not a good combination...
i occasionally rallycross (5 events a year)
and run some TSD's (this year probably 5 or 6)
and also "test" on the forest trails (practice for when i get a 'real' car)

and when my car was lowered, it got butchered. i am not saying it CANT be done, i am just not going to advise it, that's for sure.

i ran the KYB AGX's with H&R springs... nice road set up, but i bottomed out like mad off road. Dented (on the inside) every fender due to wheel rubbing, smacked the undercarriage just about everywhere.... sooo.....

also, i blew out a KYB/AGX after 1 rallycross... but they did replace it under warranty... just something to think about...

if you are going to go play off road occasionally, at the very least contact Paul at www.get-primitive.com and buy some body armor. no, nevermind, buy some REGARDLESS! it will totally protect the guts of your car... best $$ i spent yet IMHO...

let me know if there are any ?'s ok???

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Old 02-12-2001, 04:20 PM   #5
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I do quite a bit of off roading/improvised rallying with my '00 OBS. I switched to WRX 5 door springs with AGX's (lowered the car 3/4"). Now it is slightly lower than an RS. No additional clearance problems or bottoming out (probably due to the stiffer setup). And the car handles the rough stuff much better.

You might want to check around for opinions on WRX springs for an RS. I know I'm quite happy with mine.
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Old 02-12-2001, 08:10 PM   #6
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Thanks for the replies guys & SubieGal

I did a search about this topic in the archives (should have done that first, sorry)and am leaning toward getting the KYB AGX struts. But I am torn on the springs to use. Given the choices, I lean toward the softer springs (not soft springs), I am not looking for ultimate hardness. Does this mean I should concentrate on the Eibach's and WRX springs?

Lastly, if I were to get the Ground Control system with the AGX's, is the only benefit the ability to raise or lower the car? What are the disadvantages compared to a car with the exact same setup (struts and springs vs. same struts and springs with GC's adjustability). Thanks again.

Hope to be "Toolin" in AZ this weekend.

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Old 02-13-2001, 07:03 AM   #7
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I'm confused... Would'nt one want more travel and higher clearance for taking hits "off-road"?

I see many here will rally-cross with lowered, stiffer suspension. Am I missing something?

To that I ask, has anyone used taller springs and struts from say the OBS? Doesn't the OBS suspension offer like 30mm more height? Are the springs too stiff for the RS's lighter weight?

I'd love to get SubieGal's DMS setup but it's a little pricy. I guess I looking for budget way for the occasional Class 4 dirt road on the way to the put-in. Opinions?

Bob
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Old 02-13-2001, 08:14 AM   #8
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i have heard that the OBS springs would be a good/easy way to get just a bit more ride height...

as a matter of fact... Pat Richard used to use Outback springs on his RS when he first started out... (www.rocketrally.com)

as for being lowered and RALLYCROSSING... that's fine... i dont know about the courses in the rest of the states - but here you WILL bottom out...

as far as RALLY... i wouldnt recommend it in a lowered car... but to each their own.

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