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Old 07-24-2004, 10:23 PM   #1
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Default Help get me off the fence and into a 2005 STi.

I'm in need of a shove off the fence on which I'm sitting and I'm hoping you all can help.

On one side of the fence is the delicious 2005 STi and on the other side of the fence is the 2005 Mitsu Evo (what else?).

I haven't driven an '05 STi, but I have driven a 2004 a couple of times and I *mostly* liked it. Two things that bother me a fair bit about the car are the seats and the excessive understeer that seems to crop up in nearly every track review (I autoX a bit, so this is a concern). Aftermarket seats are no problem, of course, so I'm not worried about that as much, but the understeer bugs me. The 2005 STi has some changes that might affect how the car handles, including the front helical diff and the bigger wheels/tires, yes? Has anyone driven both the '04 and the '05 on a track and been able to notice any improvements to handling? Also, what else can be done relatively easily to improve this issue?

The Evo has its own set of pros and cons, of course, some of which are TBD since final specs and pricing haven't been released yet. Since I'm in no mind to start YAECT (yet another Evo comparison thread), I'll just finish with saying thanks in advance to anyone who can offer some insights on the issues above.
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:17 PM   #2
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=581869
some comparison of '04 vs '05, though it doesn't address the understeer specifically.
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:50 PM   #3
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Steering is supposed to be WAY better on the 05s. The steering rack requires less turns lock to lock, the rear trailing arms are different, and I might be missing other stuff too.

You will be happy with either car. Everyone here will push the STi, all the Mitsu guys will push the EVO. Since you have $$$ and autocross, you will NEVER be happy with ANY car. Even a "perfect car" such as the new Lotus Elise will probably want/need new bushings, seats, swaybars, tires, coilovers, etc to make each autocrosser happy. STi or EVO? Who friggen cares? They are both great, so get an STi already.
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Old 07-25-2004, 04:22 AM   #4
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WHile both have pros and cons you will find that a Subaru is much easier to work on yourself which for some people is very important. Now to answer you understeer issue with the STi it does have more than an EVO but most of this can be corrected with a different Driving style (not with sway bars, end links, alignments or a large list of other crap that people will suggest). THe Mistubishi is the superior Tarmac car while the STi is the superior gravel car, the subaru transmission is far superior to the Mistu while the engines are pretty much equal. Good luck and enjoy your new car purchase.
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:10 AM   #5
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The understeer which you keep reading about usually occurs at the handling limits of the car. After the break in period, I went on some long, twisty roads. I did this to learn how the car behaves at different speeds through different levels of turns. I had to change my driving style a little bit to compensate for the AWD, which I am not used to.

The car handles great. I found most of the understeer to go away if you enter the turn a little slower, and apply lots of throttle just prior to the apex. If you enter the turn too quickly, you will certainly notice the understeer. If you keep on the throttle, the car stays planted though. If you lift on the throttle, the understeer can really bite you.

The car handles twisties quite well. If you intend on Auto X, or road race, you may want to do a few suspension upgrades. If you just want to go through some nice twisties at a brisk pace, alter your driving style a little, and you'll probably never notice understeer.

Don't let the magazine articles be the end all argument. A few changed makes a world of difference.
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Old 07-25-2004, 09:30 AM   #6
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Thanks, fellas...great info. Just as an aside, I'm impressed how much more mature and thoughtful this forum is than the Evo forums I've seen...makes a big difference in terms of getting good information quickly.
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Old 07-25-2004, 09:52 AM   #7
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I can tell you from first hand experience that replacing a clutch in the EVO is an ORDEAL.....but I've driven the EVO stock, mildly modded and full blown-all out balls to the wall and I personally would rather have an STi after having driven a stock '04 one.
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Old 07-25-2004, 03:44 PM   #8
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And it sounds like the minor improvements to the '05 STi will put it at very nearly the same level of technical competence as even the Evo MR supposedly coming out in September. Unless some unexpected bit of data comes out about the Evo between now and the end of August, I'll most likely be headed to my Subie dealership for an STi. Thanks, mates.
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