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Old 12-10-2000, 01:25 AM   #1
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Question So for the best ICE performance than snow, which tire is best for ICE?

I like to know which tire can have the best grip on ICE so that it won't slip a lot when breaking and starting.

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Old 12-10-2000, 06:32 AM   #2
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I believe Blizzaks have a special compound that makes them adhere to ice better than a normal tire. From what I understand though the compound is only good for one or two seasons and when it wears down, you are left with a normal mediocre tire. Of course studded tires are an option I guess.

Of course there is no substitute for common sense when driving in bad weather. Here in KS we get more icy conditions than snowy. I always see SUV's in the ditch and overturned because they think that AWD/4X4 means they are invincible. One day on the way to the airport I counted eleven.

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Old 12-10-2000, 07:11 AM   #3
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I'd say the Blizzak MZ series is the best ice tire today. Check the Tire Rack reviews & comparison tests.
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Old 12-10-2000, 11:40 AM   #4
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If you want the best for Ice and don't care about dry performance. Studed will be the best.

Blizzak MZ, or Mich. Pilot alpins read the reviews from tire rack.
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Old 12-10-2000, 03:35 PM   #5
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I heard Nokian Hakkapelittas are really good too. Good price as well.
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Old 12-10-2000, 03:48 PM   #6
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Definately the Nokian Hakkapelletas! I have the NRW's and they are wicked!
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Old 12-10-2000, 09:12 PM   #7
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We've had sleet and freezing rain all day and it's like a hockey rink anywhere that hasn't been heavily salted or coated in gravel.

Just got back from test drives in the 2.5RS and Miata and I have to report that I'm quite satisfied with the Pirelli Winter Ice Direzoniale tires both are wearing. (Actually the 2.5RS has the Winter Ice Plus, same tread pattern but a slightly different compound. But anyway...)

The Miata is very driveable, but of course RWD still must be given proper respect.

The Impreza handled beautifully, the only possible problem being overconfidence which could lead to stupid mistakes. No problem starting, stopping or cornering. And yes, it's still very much possible to slide around in them...

The tires are OK on dry tarmac, good sidewalls that are stiffer than the RE92's, but of course the open winter tread and lots of sipes prevent any real performance. (Fstrmnky got a good 4 wheel chirp out of them testdriving my car in the DRY saturday. He likes the cams btw... ) They are very good on gravel too.

Looks like good old supply&demand is in effect at the tirerack... I paid $55 each for these about 6 weeks ago, now they're $68. Still worth $68 though, IMO.
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Old 12-10-2000, 10:39 PM   #8
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For ICE???

Any half decent snow tire that is studed will blow the doors off a set of blizzaks any day of the week.

V6,

By a set of Subaru steel rims and then go to Canadian Tire and get a set of studded winter tires. They will be loud, but they'll be the best for our present winter conditions.

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Old 12-11-2000, 12:17 AM   #9
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Agree, Edmonton's winter is stupid, almost every zone around the red lights are ICE. Everybody just behaving like having 1/4 mile race at start that make the snow all turn to ice, I hate stopping two blocks before I can stop right before the signal stop line.

Do u agree?
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Old 12-11-2000, 06:38 AM   #10
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Ahh Canadian Tire. I gotta go check out what they have for witner tire selections. Now where are my Canadian Tire monopoly money...
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Old 12-11-2000, 03:59 PM   #11
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V6,

YEs, I definately agree!!

I'm still running the RE92's and they're a mixed blessing tire. First, they suck with snow and ice, but sucky grip means you sure get to slide around a lot!

The RE92's are definately not a tire I would recommend if you want any decent winter traction.

Are you interested in a get together with some of the local Impreza owners?

Let me know.

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Old 12-12-2000, 07:15 AM   #12
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ANYTHING STUDDED. (Sorry for shouting...) If your state or province (lotta Canadians on these winter weather posts eh?) allows them, then the world's crappiest snow tire with studs will beat anything non-studded. How do I know? I live in the south where we don't get snow, we get freezing rain. A lot.
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Old 12-12-2000, 01:19 PM   #13
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For maximum ice performance, for a non-studded tire, DO NOT get the pirelli assymetrico 210Ps.

I did back to back tests with these and other tires at the Rallye de Quebec last January. Those tires are probably the best 'winter' tires on dry pavement, but suck hugely compared to 'pure' ice tires, (but which suck hugely on pavement).

For pure longitudinal traction (i.e. braking and acceleration), specifically, the Hakkapelitta Q and the Michelin Artic Alpin and the 'old-style' Blizzaks (no longer available new, just as older stock) were THE BEST ICE ONLY tires.

Some of these tires sucked in lateral traction, i.e. when you are sliding sideways, how much do they slow you down.

I now use a Hakkaepelitta Q with outer grooved edges (haven't tried these out) but suspect this will provide good lateral as well as longitudinal grip. Still, no one seems to sell a fully siped, ice compound tire with LONGITUDINAL sides as WELL AS LATERAL sipes. The Hakka Q comes closest, as its center tread has angled sipes, but it would be nive to see one with sipes that worked in both planes.

If you want an ice tire that is pretty good on snow too, i would get a 'supreme snow' and put studs in it :-)
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Old 12-13-2000, 06:45 AM   #14
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patr,

are you referring to the Blizzak WS-15's?

This was my first morning with them, but I couldnt find any ice, just packed snow. the verdict:

As Pat said, straight line braking and accelerating was greatly improved, especially braking. lateral traction is not. once you get them sideways they slide a bunch.

Ryan
195/60R15 Blizzak WS-15s on 15" OBS alloys
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Old 12-14-2000, 06:49 PM   #15
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Kumho 712's seem to make your car extremely attracted to ditches when it gets ICY and dogs run out in front of you.

Kumhos on ice = no RS for 2 months
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