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Old 08-02-2004, 01:28 PM   #1
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Default '05 Legacy GT - New AVO Parts!



New Dual Exhaust System for Legacy GT. Stage Kits coming soon. Many other parts available or coming soon.

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Old 08-04-2004, 09:44 PM   #2
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how much shipped to Maine 04005 ?
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:15 PM   #3
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We are waiting on pricing from AVO. We are dyno testing the Stage kits tomorrow. (fri 8/6) I can keep ypu posted on part pricing. Shipping to Maine from Oregon is about $40 for something that heavy/size.

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Old 08-05-2004, 01:19 PM   #4
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Here is a pic of the AVO exhaust on our '05 Legacy GT.



More info/pics at : http://www.rallitek.com/news.asp


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Old 08-05-2004, 01:44 PM   #5
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I want this exhaust, I have cash in hand!! Please e-mail or PM me when you have the finally pricing on it. So if you are starting a list then put me on it and I can send you a down payment if needed.

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Old 08-05-2004, 02:39 PM   #6
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Any chance we can get a sound clip?
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:36 PM   #7
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Be sure to list your dyno results as well.
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Old 08-06-2004, 04:57 PM   #8
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Just got in from Matrix. The Matrix Mustang dyno shows 209.3hp / 230.3 lb ft torque.

That is AVO Stage2. Stage2 consists of intake/catback/bov/computer.

Stage3 is happening in our shop right now. Stage3 adds AVO uppipe/downpipe, new boost actuator, and new map for the ecu. The downpipe does include a high flow cat. Stay tuned!

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Old 08-06-2004, 04:59 PM   #9
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So do you know for sure that the stock uppipe has a catalytic convertor or not? Just wondering? Did you happen to dyno the car stock first? would really like to see stock numbers on the same dyno to see what the gains really are. Thanks.
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Old 08-06-2004, 08:47 PM   #10
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Just got in from Matrix. The Matrix Mustang dyno shows 209.3hp / 230.3 lb ft torque.

That is AVO Stage2. Stage2 consists of intake/catback/bov/computer.

Stage3 is happening in our shop right now. Stage3 adds AVO uppipe/downpipe, new boost actuator, and new map for the ecu. The downpipe does include a high flow cat. Stay tuned!

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What was the baseline run when the car was stock?
Call me a bit ignorant, but what's the usual driveline loss for AWD cars.
209 hp seems low for a modded car which was rated at 250 stock.
But again, I'm a bit wet behind the ears when it comes to dyno numbers for AWD cars.
As a frame of reference, what does a stock WRX put down. And what about the Forester XT (which I know is underrated by about 25 hp)?

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Old 08-07-2004, 01:14 PM   #11
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[What was the baseline run when the car was stock?]
stock GT=174whp

[Call me a bit ignorant, but what's the usual driveline loss for AWD cars.]
about 27% (anyone with exact math please chime in)
[209 hp seems low for a modded car which was rated at 250 stock.
But again, I'm a bit wet behind the ears when it comes to dyno numbers for AWD cars. ]

[As a frame of reference, what does a stock WRX put down. And what about the Forester XT (which I know is underrated by about 25 hp)?]

On the local Mustang dyno: Stock WRX= 165whp / STi = 220whp (not sure about XT)

Remember - only mods are computer-intake-catback. Boost is a 15psi (gentle breeze) and torque is 230lb ft. Crank HP= 286.7hp / 315.4lb ft torque.

We are now doing the Stage3 which is cat free uppipe(GT uppipe does have cat), 73mm downpipe w/high flow cat. There will also be a new boost controller to raise boost to 17psi. Stage3 should give us some big(er) numbers. Stay Tuned!

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Old 08-07-2004, 04:14 PM   #12
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Only 174?

That's more than 27% loss (actually a bit over 30%)
The examples you gave for the WRX and STI are right at the 27% mark you quote.

Did the LGT you test have sufficient break in mileage? Because it has GOT to put down more than 9 hp to the wheels over the stock WRX.


Your calculations have got to be wrong somewhere. You're saying the 209 hp run would be equivalent to 286.7 hp. But in your baseline run the LGT lost about 30.3%
If you take that same percentage and apply it to the 209 you got after the computer-intake-catback mods, you'd be at 300 hp dead on!
That would be a gain of 50 hp at the crank and 35 hp at the wheels.

It's too bad you couldn't do another baseline run with the stock car.
I can't imagine those number to be that low. At 27% driveline loss, the LGT should put out about 182 hp to the wheels.

Guess we'll have to see what others get, and hopefully with a grand or two on the odometer when they do test it.
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Old 08-08-2004, 11:23 AM   #13
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maybe the engine was overated from the factory....to many variables here. the only thing that is important is the whp. thats the true hp the car is making...as measured by the $$$$ dyno machines they have.
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Old 08-08-2004, 12:32 PM   #14
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maybe the engine was overated from the factory....to many variables here. the only thing that is important is the whp. thats the true hp the car is making...as measured by the $$$$ dyno machines they have.

The car you have must be WAY down on power. Or the conditions were bad? Or maybe it's your dyno.

In one of the other threads, someone just posted his dyno slip from his 05 LGT.
It was completely stock.
He ran is with 2200 miles on the odometer.
It was in 72 degree weather in CT.

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202 hp
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Old 08-08-2004, 01:44 PM   #15
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Driver,

All dynos are different, the only way you can measure hp is the gain on the same dyno.

Jon

PS: Some dynos are VERY optimistic.
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Old 08-08-2004, 04:09 PM   #16
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Our car has only 200 miles on it and the weather was over 90 degrees when we were dyno testing. The hot weather makes a big difference. The stock figures for WRX/STi were what the dyno operators said were 'average numbers'.

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Stay tuned! Stage3 is in the car. We are tuning the map and next week will be dyno time again. Hope for cool weather for high numbers.
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Old 08-09-2004, 12:58 PM   #17
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RalliTEK 05 Legacy GT is ready for dyno of stage3. We are scheduling dyno time at Matrix, our local dyno shop.
The fuel/timing maps are very different between the stages. Stages 1/2 needed the fuel leaned out and stage3 needed fuel added. I am surprised the exhaust is not much louder with the one high flow cat vs. the 3 factory cats.
The car feels really strong now. It seems STi fast, but the soft suspension still makes the car feel heavy. The throttle response is excellent. The car is much more driveable. The engine has a much smoother response than the factory setup.
Pricing is coming from Japan tonight. I will post as soon as I have the final numbers. We have the BOV in stock right now. The catback is un-modded from the JDM car, so parts will be in stock very soon. The PNP SMT piggyback ecu needs a new wiring harness to work on the Legacy, a minor production change.
We did find the downpipe is NOT compatible with the JDM car nor will WRX/STi downpipes work. The Legacy pipe uses different flange positions. Production will have to be Legacy specific.

Here is Steve from AVO Japan with the different DPs. From the front, the pipes are: STi, Legacy GT, AVO 72mm JDM.

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Our car has only 200 miles on it and the weather was over 90 degrees when we were dyno testing. The hot weather makes a big difference.
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Well that explains it. With only 200 miles and over 90 degrees, no wonder.
You guys should have taken the car on a day or two long road trip and put 1000 miles plus on it first. Then run a baseline run.
I think it would of given us a WHOLE lot better idea as to what the mods are going to do.
As it stands, the car will probably put down 10+ hp just from getting broken in and another 10+ from cooler weather.
Oh well, guess we're going to have to approximate what the car would have done when stock with appropriate break in mileage and cooler weather. (or just go off of the 195-200 awhp other owners have been getting stock with 1500+ miles on). Could you have done the run first thing in the morning when the weather was MUCH cooler?

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Old 08-09-2004, 01:11 PM   #19
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I gotta say, that exhaust system looks sweet on the car.
Can someone take a better picture though? Maybe from the rear of the car when it's on the ground. Thanks.
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:47 PM   #20
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intersting
so the down pipe IS differnt

i would be intersted in what the diff between the piggy back and a well tuned ecutek reflash would be
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:39 PM   #21
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Pricing???????
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Old 08-10-2004, 07:31 PM   #22
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I've seen Dyno Sheets sayin the 05' Legacy GT pushed 196.15HP / 216.49LB Torque
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There's one guy who has gotten like 202 hp and 216 tq from his dynoed 05 LGT

Personally, I think the "average" so far is 195-205 hp depending on dynos.
Seems like it's about 5-10 hp more to the wheels than what I've seen the average stock Forester XT put down. Though with the Forester XT's smaller/lighter 16 inch wheels and 4.44:1 final drive ratio (compared to the LGT's 4.11:1) it's really hard to compare the two.


And yes, when's there going to be pricing listed for these mods?

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Old 08-12-2004, 01:23 AM   #24
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Will the AVO exhaust fit on a 05 Legacy Wagon GT? Arent they the sam length cars?
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Old 08-12-2004, 12:09 PM   #25
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Will the AVO exhaust fit on a 05 Legacy Wagon GT? Arent they the sam length cars?
No, there will we sperate systems methinks.
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