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Old 08-04-2004, 08:25 PM   #1
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Unhappy 05 STi vs. E46 M3 = Bad Decision

I own a stock 05 STi, with a little over 1800 miles, I decided to race against my friend's stock E46 M3. We did something like 7 runs. Each time I would have a nice launch at the beginning and pull away. Every single time, he would have caught up by around 80 mph and then things would get ugly. I expected him to pass me up, but only once we got to about 105mph or higher. Not consistently at 70-80 mph. Just wanted to share, and if you are going to flame me, this is a pre-emptive " I dont care" statement. I raced him on a very wide, almost deserted street and if thats not good enough, sell your scooby and buy a minivan. The E46 is defenitely something to be respected. I am wondering if a turbo or cat back exhaust would help out, or if more is needed.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:28 PM   #2
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Single turbo what??? It has a single turbo stock.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:34 PM   #3
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Cool Took care of it

Sorry, typo/forgot to add a word. It has been edited.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:35 PM   #4
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stock vs stock you should beat him in the 1/4
a stock STI is capable of 12.9, the M3 13.2

If he passed you before 100, its your driving. Past 100, he should walk you.

DO a turboback, do a short ram (perrin short ram or TXS shorty are the best and wont cause problems)
That should take care of him easily. If that isnt enough, get an STI UTEC and you will SLAUGHTER him.
Really, stock vs stock, its a drivers race. I would work on your shifting. If you get a good launch, (go to a drag strip, do some runs and come back and tell us what 60' times you get, if its not at least a 1.8, you need to practice more)
SHifting is a huge part of it, and from what you are describing, your shifting is what is costing you the win.

If you do a turboback/shortram/utec, your grandmother should be able to beat him in your car.


BTW, what the hell are you talking about when you say "single turbo" ??? *edit never mind I see your edit.

No, a catback will do nothing. The restriction are the 2 cats before it.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:37 PM   #5
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BTW a real "nice launch" will put you 2 car lengths ahead of him before you are out of 1rst gear

EVen if you are going to street race, you need PRACTICE. You will only get GOOD by practicing at the strip. You need those time slips to learn. You will never know what you are doing right/wrong without them, as even though .2 is a big difference, you will most likely not feel it.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:40 PM   #6
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thats odd. Ive raced a couple of M3's and the SMG model. At the time I was only running a MBC set @ 15psi. I had no trouble keeping up with him til 80-85mph.......i figured that was fast enough.

FWIW-I raced a C5 MT, got the jump obviously by 2-3 cars....and he didnt catch me til 80, then he blew my me like I was standing still.

02 WRX w/MBC as only mod at the time.
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Old 08-04-2004, 10:56 PM   #7
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if he was passing you at 70 your driving needs some serious help... it takes a nasty driver to run low 13's in the e46, and a competent one to run low 13's in the sti. if that were the case he'd be passing you a little after 100.

if you take it to the track and beat 14 flat ill be suprised.

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thats odd. Ive raced a couple of M3's and the SMG model. At the time I was only running a MBC set @ 15psi. I had no trouble keeping up with him til 80-85mph.......i figured that was fast enough.
^^^ same here, except i had a tbe, not an mbc
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:59 PM   #8
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I seen an E46 M3 run consistent 12.9s and 13.0s with <1k miles so yea it was stock too.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:04 AM   #9
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my friends were dragging g35' and M3's. but all he could talk about was how his neck whipped when he drove my friends STi. this was probably off topic, but yeah, M3 as everyone knows is a top end car. just get some mods and blow your friends shorts off.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:08 AM   #10
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stock vs stock you should beat him in the 1/4
a stock STI is capable of 12.9, the M3 13.2
Less drinking, more thinking please.

Who do you know that ran 12.9 stock?

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Old 08-05-2004, 12:12 AM   #11
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I ran up against a E46 03 not too long ago on the highway, he wanted to slow it down to around 45.. and I straight walked him until about 100ish mph and he put about 3 cars on me.. =)

And i'm a stock turbo WRX with turboback, header, and boost control.

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Old 08-05-2004, 12:20 AM   #12
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Less drinking, more thinking please.

Who do you know that ran 12.9 stock?

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i don't think what he said is wrong. i can not recall at this point who it was but i remember seeing timeslips for two STi's that ran 12.9x completely stock.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:27 AM   #13
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I ran up against a E46 03 not too long ago on the highway, he wanted to slow it down to around 45.. and I straight walked him until about 100ish mph and he put about 3 cars on me.. =)

And i'm a stock turbo WRX with turboback, header, and boost control.

Jay
he was probably in 4th gear... you have ~230 whp and he has ~300.

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I seen an E46 M3 run consistent 12.9s and 13.0s with <1k miles so yea it was stock too.
12.9 stock for an e46? i dont know about that. maybe on slicks.

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Old 08-05-2004, 12:45 AM   #14
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no i think hes sayin no1 ran a 12.9 stock in a sti
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:13 AM   #15
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Less drinking, more thinking please.

Who do you know that ran 12.9 stock?

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I've seen an STi do 12.98 @105 stock...
You want specific information? um...there are better drivers (and oddball STis too) than you out ther man..
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:17 AM   #16
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E46 M3's OWN!!!11!!!
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:46 AM   #17
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Thanks for the input guys, couple of points. Yes, after launching, I would get about two car lengths on him before first gear. A nice smooth 5k RPM launch, with no wheel hop. The time he passed me at 70, I had missed a third gear for a split second. I dont know if having waited only about 720 miles as opposed to waiting 1000 miles to let her rip made a difference. Additionally, when we raced, it was a very hot and humid night. I will finally actually go to the track one of these days, I normally hate drag racers/racing and think its "the ghey", but it wouldnt hurt just to see how I do. If I just get a STi Utec, with no other mods, but there be enough of a gain? I did autocross his stock M3, and lets just say acceleration aside, the STi owns the M3 in every other department (looks/luxury aside).
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:00 AM   #18
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I'm not saying it cant be done, but to say it like its easily possible is just out of control. I bet that is impossible at 40% of the tracks across the country just due to weather / elevation alone.

I consider myself to be a good driver. I am fully aware of the fact that there are much better drivers out there. In fact I know alot of people that are better drivers than I am. Thats never been a secret.

and not for nothing but all my runs in my STi have been pretty weak. My best 60' was something like a 1.85. most of the runs were in the 1.9's... I posted the results because thats what happened.

on a lighter note, a new M3 runs something like 106+mph in the 1/4 and thats the reason why you kept getting spanked

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Old 08-05-2004, 02:05 AM   #19
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i own a wrx, stock turbo, straight pipe, i pulled the same side by side with a brand new 04 m3 from 60mph to 130mph on the freeway. i have a WRX. you have STi, its up to the driver, and also your mods, u have cats which are restricting your turbo in the high end. "no duh" u need at least a catback, better yet, u are missing the point, the catback isnt the section of the pipe with the cats, its your stock downpipe that is restricting your STi more than a catback bro. get a downppipe and u will own on the freeway, your turbo will love it. for $60,000+ the m3 better be respected.
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:06 AM   #20
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I drove a UTEC'd STi the other night. It was incredibly faster than it was before the UTEC with a base map. The car has a full exhaust and an intake too, but I would imagine you will gain more power with the UTEC than you will with the full exhaust alone. IF you can tune it (or know someone that does), its worth it imho.

I drove the car the way it ran [email protected] and it is amazing how much faster it is. I bet it runs mid 12's now.

I bet with just the UTEC and a safe tune the car would run in the 12's with an average driver.

The car still drove like a stock car too. Never hesitated WOT or just driving normal. I was very impressed.

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by the way i also have a blitz power sus intake , which helped me gain more high end power.
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Old 08-05-2004, 03:36 AM   #22
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I own a stock 05 STi, with a little over 1800 miles, I decided to race against my friend's stock E46 M3. We did something like 7 runs. I raced him on a very wide, almost deserted street and if thats not good enough, sell your scooby and buy a minivan.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:20 AM   #23
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12.9 stock for an e46? i dont know about that. maybe on slicks.

Nope, no slicks...All stock. Called being able to drive. Also it was leased so he really didn't care qabout his break-in period.

I'd like to see that 12.9 sec stock STi....
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:33 AM   #24
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If you want to do drag racing, you shouldn't have gotten an AWD vehicle.
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at least not one with a clutch force limiter which makes it hard to launch.
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