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Old 08-05-2004, 10:33 PM   #1
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i talked to a guy at cobb and he said a few interesting things. i would like a share a couple of items that i was talking about with the tech guy. he stated that the tuner will make the car be at about 280 whp with 91 oct and TBe with nothing else done to the car (STI). no injectors no new turbo no intake just TBE and everything else stock . could there be more power done with this new device? he also stated that it is best to change the up pipe but so many have said not to change it on the STI. is this really needed? anyone with opinions please ring in here....

what do you guys think of the access tuner? is it worth the $1095.00 price tag? i feel it would be if i can actually make 300+ whp on just intake and TBE and possibly up pipe if needed.
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Old 08-05-2004, 11:09 PM   #2
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No one has seen it, held it, tuned with it, or even saw a demo/ prototype info on it.

It's vapor ware until it's released, whenever that happens......


Once it comes out and people invest the money in it then tune with it, then post those results, then we'll finally know what the deal is with the AccessTuner.
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Old 08-05-2004, 11:56 PM   #3
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i believe once the tuner version comes out you can simply goto your nearest tuner and have them tune your cobb ecu to your mods.


Only reason i could see them saying the sti needs a up pipe is that they want to sell theirs to u lol.
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Old 08-06-2004, 02:29 AM   #4
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oh the tuner is real slick. you dont even need a computer. all you need is the hand held 4 button access tuner/port. all the ratios and numbers can be selected on the this hand held unit. i think im in heaven if this is the case. i actually have a laptop ready for an EM stand alone but this is too good to be true. all in one.
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Old 08-06-2004, 10:21 AM   #5
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Keep in mind the AccessTuner is not a full blown engine management system.

The ProTuner is, and we can't get it, only Authorized Codd Tuners (shops) can and it is not available yet either.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:02 AM   #6
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The only downside I see to the Cobb is that it needs to be reflashed every time you make changes. Doesnt the stock ECU only accept about 100 flashes before it is garbage? I could see tweaking eating through these. Also, reflashing voids the warranty, whereas the piggyback systems are undetectible if you remove them before service.

Please correct me if I am wrong on any of this.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:42 AM   #7
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cobbs has "real-time" maps which can be flashed as many times as you want. Only base maps can be flashed 100 times or so, You shouldn't change your base maps more then 5 times for the entire time you own your car...
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:55 PM   #8
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There r no authorized accessport tuners.Nor will there be according to cobb.
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:58 PM   #9
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With the new software it takes care of the ecu only being able to be flashed 100x. It will make it unlimited IIRC.
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Old 02-25-2005, 09:22 PM   #10
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I believe the 100 flash limit is a worst case scenario. I know that this issue was briefly discussed in the recent long Cobb thread and Bill K stated that he's seen A LOT more than 100 flashes.

The StreetTuner doesn't provide anything new compared to AccessPort in regards to Base Maps and RealTime Maps. It is supposed to be advantageous when compared to EcuTek in that it does allow you to make live changes (by running a realtime map) without having to relflash the ECU.
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Old 02-26-2005, 01:37 AM   #11
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Holy cow there is so much misinformation!

First of all, the StreetTUNER isn't going to magically make more power. It is an interface to the factory ECU. What you CAN do is tune for more power using the software. It doesn't require any modifications to the car other than an AccessPORT. What it does require is knowledge of how to tune to actually make power.

The release date is set for 3/2/2005. "Vaporware" or not, it has a release date.

StreetTUNER does require a Windows PC because this it is engine management software allowing alteration of many of the factory ECU maps. I really don't know where you got the idea that it isn't engine management. The factory ECU is engine management; the StreetTUNER uses the factory ECU.

The difference between ProTUNER and StreetTUNER is not that one is engine management and one isn't, they both are. The difference is in the number of maps available for tuning, the number of cars the software can tune, and the redistribution of tuned AccessPORT maps. Let me elaborate.

The ProTUNER will give access to all sorts of maps that a common user is rarely, if ever, going to want to modify due to the low level nature of those maps. The maps found on StreetTUNER are going to be those that are often accessed when trying to make power or smooth drivability. The gory details are abstracted away from the common user.

The ProTUNER is targeted at tuners intending to tune more than one model car. StreetTUNER is for a particular car. Maps created by the ProTUNER can be distributed to all owners of AccessPORTs. Maps created by the StreetTUNER can only be distributed amongst other StreetTUNER owners.

Reflashing voids the warranty, piggybacks void the warranty, modifying your car voids the warranty.

The commonly altered maps are Realtime maps, which have limitless changes. The Base maps are maps that are not typically changed so you might tune them a bit and not touch them again. The Base maps do require a reflash, though.

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Old 02-26-2005, 09:17 AM   #12
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By the way, I have seen the software so it does exist. Trey Cobb showed it off at Subaru of Dallas. So it is out there, just who knows when Cobb is going to feel ready to release it. Basically you need a laptop and then you can adjust every little engine management point you could imagine. It looked way beyond what the average tuner would be able to handle. I mean you can adjust fuel maps for every point on the RPM rev range. I think I would just end up making my car run like sh** since I would be guessing. It is best used with a dyno so you could do live runs and see real time changes to the car. Trey did say he would include some starter maps so you would have something to get you started. This would be like a Stage 2 map, but with somethings missing (they want to protect their intelectual property).

As far as the access port, remember its main function is as a map transfer tool, Trey said this. What you pay for in the access port are the copyrighted maps, think of the device itself as a thumb drive for you car.
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Old 02-26-2005, 11:51 PM   #13
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The biggest thing I've read on the AccessTuner that no one has mentioned is the ability to modify the real time maps in real time. With a driver and passenger tuning the car, road tuning becomes much simpler and faster. This means worlds to those of us who don't have access to a 4 wheel dyno anywhere.
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Old 02-26-2005, 11:55 PM   #14
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The biggest thing I've read on the AccessTuner that no one has mentioned is the ability to modify the real time maps in real time. With a driver and passenger tuning the car, road tuning becomes much simpler and faster. This means worlds to those of us who don't have access to a 4 wheel dyno anywhere.
This is true. You can also modify the maps, and see how the car feels before saving/flashing the new map.
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Old 02-27-2005, 12:24 AM   #15
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I'll be getting the AT a while after it is out, I'm sitting with Cobb stg 1 right now. Waiting to see how things develop before going any further. I know I'll never be "finished" with the car but luckily enough, the woman and the bank account will keep me in check. Plan on going thing in the realm of stg 2 but with a few more mods and some custom engine work since I have access to a shop. Will Cobb stg2 work? Most likely. Can I tune in more power? Definately.

Waiting for the AT however will give it a chance to mature. I'm confident that Cobb has been testing the AT in excess to insure no fried ECU's but time will tell. And we'll need to see what happens with the ProTuner. If some reputable tuners will put out some decent off the shelf maps or not. Like I said, I'm no where near a 4 wheel dyno so there's no custom tune options any other way. Another benifit with the AT and realtime tuning will be the ability for myself (if I'm any good at tuning) or another tuner to come with you and road tune the car to your driving using your StreetTuner. How a car runs best on the dyno isn't always the best feeling tune on the street.

All speculation aside, check back here in a couple weeks, after the StreetTuner is released. There will be a LOT of feeback either way. But always remember to take everything you read here with a grain of salt. Everything here is someones assesment and may not match your own.
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