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Old 08-06-2004, 10:28 AM   #1
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Question Best Affordable tires for the 17 x 8 torques

Hey guys, I have a set of torques coming my way soon and I was wondering if you guy could advise me on what some decent tires for them would be.

I don't really autox but what I do want is something that will be really good in the rain especially on the highway because I do a lot of highway driving. Road noise isnt that important, but it would be nice to have a quiet wheel. Last, I don't PLAN on driving in the snow with these tires but I keep my snow wheels/tires at school and there is always a chance I could catch a little bit of snow.

I don't wanna spend a lot per tire becuase I am on a budget and don't have much money. I would like to get 235/40/17 to take advantage of the 8 inch wide torques but I guess I could get stuck with 225/45/17. This is for an '02 WRX sedan on stock suspension.

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Old 08-06-2004, 10:43 AM   #2
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I ordered Toyo Proxes 4s yesterday for my wagon. Your goals sound very similar to mine. 4 of them shipped to me were $350 (www.edgeracing.com) which is REALLY cheap for 300 AA A tires. The AA portion of the rating means they have the best wet grip according to government test. Yes, government tests suck, but it gives you an indication. Do some searching here and check my last one or two posts on this forum for the good advice I received.
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Old 08-06-2004, 11:29 AM   #3
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Ok I have done some more looking... Im looking at tires around $100 or under a tire (give or take a few)

With the 235/40/17 My options seem to be:
1. Toyo Proxes Fz4
2. Falken Azenis St115
3. Falken Grb Fk451

With 225/45/17 I can get better tires with a smaller diameter I could get the ones listed above for a cheaper more affordable price or for about the same price:

1. Falken Azenis Rs ($109 ea)
2. Toyo Proxes 4 ($94 ea)
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Old 08-06-2004, 12:34 PM   #4
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Ok I have done some more looking... Im looking at tires around $100 or under a tire (give or take a few)

With the 235/40/17 My options seem to be:
1. Toyo Proxes Fz4
2. Falken Azenis St115
3. Falken Grb Fk451

With 225/45/17 I can get better tires with a smaller diameter I could get the ones listed above for a cheaper more affordable price or for about the same price:

1. Falken Azenis Rs ($109 ea)
2. Toyo Proxes 4 ($94 ea)
I would say go with the 225s. It would be better to get a better tire than a wider tire. Plus, with an 8" wide rim, you are still taking advantage of the tire size because there is a larger contact patch (over say a 7.5" or a 7"). I have heard a lot of good things about the Proxes 4s....I say go with those.
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Old 08-06-2004, 02:10 PM   #5
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So Unless anyone has any other comments I should get the 225/45/17 in the Toyo Prozes 4 instead of the wider but not as good tires.

Unless anyone else has any comments I think I am going to go ahead and do that.
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Old 08-06-2004, 03:29 PM   #6
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So Unless anyone has any other comments I should get the 225/45/17 in the Toyo Prozes 4 instead of the wider but not as good tires.
The Proxes 4 is an all-season tire. It may be a very good all-season tire - it's new and has never been tested - but it is no match for the Falken GRB FK451 which is a max-performance tire equivalent to the Toyo T1S. Do a search under my name and 451 and you'll see a link to tests on the Falken's vs. the T1S and other max performance tires if you're interested.

The 235/40x17 FK451's would be the best tire for your needs - great in dry, incredible in the rain - with one exception - no snow!

The 235/40x17 size is wider and is undersized by 2% resulting in a favorable gearing advantage. In addition, the 235/40x17 Falken's are actually a couple of pounds lighter than the 225/45x17 size - so you win all the way around.
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The Proxes 4 is an all-season tire. It may be a very good all-season tire - it's new and has never been tested - but it is no match for the Falken GRB FK451 which is a max-performance tire equivalent to the Toyo T1S. .
How's tread life compared to these other tires? I have had T1-S tires that (would have) lasted for ~20k miles and Azenis Sport 215's that look like they're going to go about 12k. Where are the FK-451's in relation?
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Old 08-06-2004, 06:18 PM   #8
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The Proxes 4 is an all-season tire. It may be a very good all-season tire - it's new and has never been tested - but it is no match for the Falken GRB FK451 which is a max-performance tire equivalent to the Toyo T1S. Do a search under my name and 451 and you'll see a link to tests on the Falken's vs. the T1S and other max performance tires if you're interested.

The 235/40x17 FK451's would be the best tire for your needs - great in dry, incredible in the rain - with one exception - no snow!

The 235/40x17 size is wider and is undersized by 2% resulting in a favorable gearing advantage. In addition, the 235/40x17 Falken's are actually a couple of pounds lighter than the 225/45x17 size - so you win all the way around.
Well it seems like you have presented another option to me.

As for the snow comment, I DO have dedicated wheels and tires to snow Its just about when I put them on because snow comes at random times at home(pittsburgh) and at school (Virginia tech)

So now Its decision time
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Old 08-06-2004, 06:24 PM   #9
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Falken Azenis Sport
The best of the cheap tires I've tried all the cheapies too.
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Check this out:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

You are off by 2%, as ripvw said...
That means you will be traveling slower than your speedometer says and there will be more revolutions per mile....wouldn't that wear down the tires more? Maybe try the Falkens in 225s.
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Falken Azenis Sport
The best of the cheap tires I've tried all the cheapies too.

BULL****....they suck. Bad. Monkey balls bad.

The Kumho MX's are FAR better.


MX's or 451's...no doubt.
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BULL****....they suck. Bad. Monkey balls bad.

The Kumho MX's are FAR better.


MX's or 451's...no doubt.
Uncle Scotty will let you know if he doesn't like something.
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OK I guess I spoke too soon when I said I've tried all the cheapies MX are next on the list.
I think they'll be much better on my multiple driver STX car.
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Well I ordered the Falken Grb Fk451 235/40R17

They should be here next week along with my hyper silver 17 x 9 rota torques.

Now if anyone is interested in damaged 18x7.5 Bronze 5zigen FN01R-C wheels with nitto 555 tires with good tread depth left on them. Since I live in pittsburgh if curbed 2 of the wheels and hit lots of potholes so im gonna sell them for 500 shipped because I don't have a wheel repair shop around here.
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