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Old 08-08-2004, 09:11 PM   #1
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Cool 85 GL Turbo or not????

Someone gave me an 85 GL. It needed a water pump. When I went to replace it the auto partsd store gave me the "wrong" one. The counter guy said what I had was a turbo water pump. Thinking, "tht's strange" I continued to work on this car. Today while cleaning up under the hood, I found a boost sensor, this runs to a module that sets between the carb and the manifold. What is up is it a turbo or not????

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-btw this one has 125K miles on it, was it worth the $85 I put into it?
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Old 08-09-2004, 12:07 AM   #2
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Is there a snail/hair dryer/compressor looking thing sitting behind the passenger head? If so, that would be your turbo
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:45 AM   #3
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Other easy way to tell:

If its carbed, there should be a big black air cleaner on top of the engine.

If its turbo there should be a silver intake plenum thing going down into the throttle body... imprinted on this should be TURBO, or 4WD TURBO.

Water pumps actually arent separated by turbo/non turbo

They are defined by AC or non AC. Generally models without AC have one water pump while those with it have the other. Exceptions exist though... my 87 GL has a JDM engine installed (same HP spec though ) and it does not have AC, but I use an AC equipped car water pump...

Basically the easy way to tell is the AC pump (I think its a 110 MM, should have studs)

The non AC pump should use bolts to install the pully and its a 105MM) Or something like that... I think the 110 and 105 are the correct numbers.
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:58 AM   #4
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OK
It is not a turbo. What is the boost sensor for?? Do any of you guys know what could be causing a wicked hesitation? It happens when you press the gas quickly if you gradually press the gas it seems to be OK. Cleaning the linkages and other outside components seemed to help some. Any input is apreciated.
---Update------
Th engine stopped on me today. It will crank but won't start.

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Old 08-11-2004, 06:00 PM   #5
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take off the distributor cap and see if the rotor turns while cranking. if not, you have a broken timing belt. if it is turning, we will go from there
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Old 08-11-2004, 07:53 PM   #6
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It is the belt. I can get to it, but I need to know how to time it. I am a self taught mechanic so make it simple. If it were a computer fixing it would be no prob. I may have found a pdf of a service manual. Thanks for all of the help so far. I've driven the car about 100 miles so far and it is a FUN car to drive.
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Old 08-12-2004, 02:15 AM   #7
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Well, you need to do BOTH the belts at the same time. Kinda pointless to just change one of them since the other one probably will break soon.

Now... you have to remove the fans, pullys and belt covers to get to the timing belts

On the flywheel there are 3 little tick marks (NOT the degree timing marks 0-10-20 degrees!!)

Set the pointer in the middle of the 3 marks.

Look at the cam sprocket (drivers side) there should be a little tiny hole in it. Align that straight up (should be a notch in the belt cover back to line it up with) Then start running the belt. Start at the crank, go down to the oil pump over the idler up to the cam and then finally under the tensioner. let the tensioner come up against the belt now. Here is the hard part... torque the belt (kinda like preload it) to 15 ft lbs or so (have to have a torque wrench set on lefty loosy) then tighten the bolts on the tensioner. Crank the engine over with a wrench to make sure it stays on time.

Repeat process on passenger side (less stuff to wrap the belt around on this side though)

Oh one more thing. when timing the passenger side of the engine also start with the flywheel in the middle of the three marks. also have the cam straight up. BUT... when you are doing this the drivers cam should now be pointing DOWN. If its not, rotate the engine 360 degrees and it now should be. You can now install and torque the passenger side belt.

While you are in there consider replacing the cam and crank seal... and water pump and oil pump seals too.
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Old 08-13-2004, 09:31 PM   #8
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It went well. The Soob is back on the road. Flow master You rock. The worst part of the project was getting the thing back together.
Thanks again.
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Old 08-14-2004, 01:29 AM   #9
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Good my directions made sense... so you understood how to torque (preload) the timing belts?
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