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Old 08-26-2004, 05:33 PM   #1
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Please! I've owned a set of JIC FLT-A2s for nearly a year. While the handling is super, the ride quality is crap. My back can't take it any more. A recent job relocation requires that I drive 80mi daily and it's really getting to me.

I'm fishing for a suspension that will handle good, ride good, and have a nice drop appearance. Are STi take-offs my best bet? Will they be low enough?

I don't auto-x. I just go up the mountains on occassion.

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Old 08-26-2004, 05:54 PM   #2
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Koni's and eibachs or prodrives
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Old 08-26-2004, 11:28 PM   #3
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Sti pinl sport lowering springs with Sti hardened strut top mounts, Steering rack bushings, anti lift kit, Cusco rear sway bar (on lowest setting). Thats a great handling car, will turn in, will have great ride quality, predictable handling, and your back will love it. Let us know if we can be of any help or answer any questions.

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Old 08-27-2004, 09:54 AM   #4
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I'd just go STI take-offs and be done with it..... that would be besides sway bars or whatever else you already have done with your coilovers.

I have Spec-C take offs which have lowered the front around 1 inch and the rear maybe a half. It really takes care of most of the gap, but doesn't slam the car to the ground by any means. If you want it lower, put on the pink springs.

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Old 08-27-2004, 11:19 AM   #5
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Either take-offs or do a GroundControl and Koni combo. If you've ever ridden in someone's car with Konis you'll wonder how they made it ride like that and still handle so well. Since you're in Atlanta, talk to Porter over at Subaru of Atlanta (Classic) and see what he has to say.
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Old 08-27-2004, 11:34 AM   #6
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the Sti takeoffs would be ok if you don't mind bounce.

they're firm, but livable, for most enthusiasts.

Myles made some good suggestions, but I'm not sure if that would meet your budget.
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Old 08-27-2004, 11:58 AM   #7
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Konis have no bounce.
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Old 08-27-2004, 12:20 PM   #8
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yeah, the konis would be tempting too, but I'm not sure of the pricing for what he would need.
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Old 08-27-2004, 01:28 PM   #9
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$600 for Konis, $399 for Ground Controls...how does that not fit the $1k budget requirement?
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Old 08-27-2004, 02:16 PM   #10
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how much for the OEM takeoff strut sleeves? what about hats?

I'm not sure if he kept his OEM stuff or wants to hack it up. That was my only concern.
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Old 08-27-2004, 02:23 PM   #11
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Oh I can certainly understand not wanting to hack up the old stuff. If that's the case, he can do a couple of things:

1) Sell the springs he has and put stock springs back on stock struts for a "what if" or if some need situation arises.

2) Buy someone's totally dead WRX struts for next to nothing (or get them for free) and hack those up.

This way he can offset his costs a bit by selling the other springs. Then he would have two setups; one totally stock and the other a performance setup should the need arise to have to take out his performance setup.
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the Sti takeoffs would be ok if you don't mind bounce.

they're firm, but livable, for most enthusiasts.

Myles made some good suggestions, but I'm not sure if that would meet your budget.
The things I suggested are exactly a grand, as its one of our new combo's. I now realize that I didnt look to see what kinda car he has and assumed, yes I assumed,.it was an STi,..so if not then yes some other routes might work better. Pinks are great when mated to the STI struts, but with an older WRX, or RS, might not the the way. The thing is, the car still needs a way to turn better,..so the ALK and upper bushings help and camber bolts. .

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Old 08-27-2004, 07:04 PM   #13
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Please! I've owned a set of JIC FLT-A2s for nearly a year. While the handling is super, the ride quality is crap. My back can't take it any more. A recent job relocation requires that I drive 80mi daily and it's really getting to me.

I'm fishing for a suspension that will handle good, ride good, and have a nice drop appearance. Are STi take-offs my best bet? Will they be low enough?

I don't auto-x. I just go up the mountains on occassion.

Erik

I feel your pain. When I moved from my 98 ITR (Integra Type-R) to my 2002 WRX, I went through the following suspensions to find a good setup:

[1] Stock - nice, but very dissapointing compared to an ITR
[2] Prodrives on stock struts - great at first, then felt under damped
[3] JIC FLT-A2, great for 3 days, couldn't find any setting to reduce the bounce - sold in 2 months at a 1K loss. Best thing I ever did.
[4] V7 STI RA Spec-C takeoffs - very nice, but bouncy in some situations. This thing has tremendous turn-in and is just so predictable. I'd say it's 7/10ths of the ITR handling. I also have Whileline steering rack bushings, comfort ALK, and 17" wheels (48 offset) + 225/45R17 Toyo Proxes T1-S @ 37psi. This is a nice package, the bounciness is what prevents me from keeping this setup forever. I don't have the group-N tops, just what came with the takeoffs - the regular STi tops. I'm told the group-N tops would help some of the bouciness.

Funny thing is when I went from the JICs to the SPEC-C takeoffs, they felt *extremly* plush, wonderfully stiff without being harsh, and soaked up big bumps very well. It's only after some time that I started noticing the bounce. I now consider them fairly harsh for what you get. For example, for the amount of harshness they provide in low speed driving, they still allow quite a bit of dive/squat, but at speed, they are great! Long fast sweepers, transitions are night and day compared to the stock setup, did I mention they turn in well? :-)

Like you, I'm looking for another suspension setup. I would advise you not to go with an inverted struts unless (as per Myles's suggestion) you pair them with STI pinks and hardend group-N tops. If you can spend a little more for coilovers, look into the Whileline Group-4. I'm seriously considering this myslef, although I'm somewhat hesistant to spend the money after my god-awfull experience with the JICs. Never again.

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Old 08-27-2004, 07:40 PM   #14
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[4] V7 STI RA Spec-C takeoffs - very nice, but bouncy in some situations. This thing has tremendous turn-in and is just so predictable. I'd say it's 7/10ths of the ITR handling. I also have Whileline steering rack bushings, comfort ALK, and 17" wheels (48 offset) + 225/45R17 Toyo Proxes T1-S @ 37psi. This is a nice package, the bounciness is what prevents me from keeping this setup forever. I don't have the group-N tops, just what came with the takeoffs - the regular STi tops. I'm told the group-N tops would help some of the bouciness.
I have to agree with you about the STI components. I had '04 V8 STI takeoffs for about a year on my '02 WRX.
It served me well. I liked the handling improvement, but I could never quite tolerate the ride. It would wear on me and my back in certain situations. I decided that the inverted struts were primarily the cause of this and did not try to salvage the situation with the addition of the GroupN tops only.
I decided to start from scratch and bought Prodrive springs, Koni inserts and Group N tops. I like the ride now! It's actually very comfortable now. The handling might be a touch less precise, but I believe the improved compliancy of the suspension and the far superior high speed damping are worth the compromise.
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Old 08-27-2004, 11:59 PM   #15
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Sti pinl sport lowering springs with Sti hardened strut top mounts, Steering rack bushings, anti lift kit, Cusco rear sway bar (on lowest setting). Thats a great handling car, will turn in, will have great ride quality, predictable handling, and your back will love it. Let us know if we can be of any help or answer any questions.

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I don't see this package on the website. Is the ALK the WL? If not the WL, is it a carbon copy, or different dimensions? The mods you list are close to the same as I'm running on the RS, and it outhandles the stock Rex hugely. Got to upgrade soon.
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Old 08-28-2004, 12:20 AM   #16
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fyi konis can be had for $555 shipped at www.alexperformance.com
if you do decide you want to spend more in order to stay with a coilover ive heard nothing but really good things about the new whiteline g4 coilovers.
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Old 08-28-2004, 03:33 AM   #17
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I don't see this package on the website. Is the ALK the WL? If not the WL, is it a carbon copy, or different dimensions? The mods you list are close to the same as I'm running on the RS, and it outhandles the stock Rex hugely. Got to upgrade soon.
Yes we just started this and no its not on the website yest. Yes it is the Whiteline ALK, and we also sell the Whiteline G4 kit. My biggest thing was, as I stated above was I dont know what kinda car he has. Wen I had my 2.5 Rs, it handled so well with just some basics,that when the wife brought home a 2003 WRX (she works for Subaru) I was disapointed in hanlding and weight, but happy for power. Well the power side wore off fast and I missed my RS until I got an STi some 10 months later.

We will add this combo and more of the Whiteline products very soon.

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Old 08-28-2004, 01:43 PM   #18
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No one has asked what tires you are running. Is it possible that softish sidewalls are giving the bounce that seems to be the big complaint of all the alteratives offered?
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Old 08-28-2004, 02:21 PM   #19
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I've had Falken Azenis and BFG KDW.

Bounce isn't so bad. It's just too damn stiff. Full soft will bounce a little.
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The issue I have sometimes, is how people want the best of both worlds without a compromise. If your car handles well it handles well, but the person who accepts some bounce or roughness, or whatever is a side effect of a great hanlding car, that person will be fastest, and the person who cant compromise, all things being equal, will compromise speed. It amazed me at how many people said they couldnt wait for the STi , and then when it came out, they couldnt deal with the ride. Well the people is Europe and Japan dont complain, as they know how special it is. All one has to do is get out of a regular WRX and into an sTi and you see how we were robbed for years of the greatness of these cars.

YES, I tend to be kinda hardcore with what I'll tolerate on the street, so PLEASE FORGIVE ME AND MY OPINION sometimes, I just find it interesting to say the least at how lucky we are now to have so many optionsm that just 3 years ago, werent available.

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Can't go wrong with that. Keep it simple stoopid adjustability too!

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Old 08-28-2004, 04:27 PM   #22
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The issue I have sometimes, is how people want the best of both worlds without a compromise. If your car handles well it handles well, but the person who accepts some bounce or roughness, or whatever is a side effect of a great hanlding car, that person will be fastest, and the person who cant compromise, all things being equal, will compromise speed. It amazed me at how many people said they couldnt wait for the STi , and then when it came out, they couldnt deal with the ride. Well the people is Europe and Japan dont complain, as they know how special it is. All one has to do is get out of a regular WRX and into an sTi and you see how we were robbed for years of the greatness of these cars.

YES, I tend to be kinda hardcore with what I'll tolerate on the street, so PLEASE FORGIVE ME AND MY OPINION sometimes, I just find it interesting to say the least at how lucky we are now to have so many optionsm that just 3 years ago, werent available.

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JICs ride too damn harsh. I've riden in many cars that handle great and still ride good. This is what I need.
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Old 08-29-2004, 02:55 AM   #24
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I am going to (once again) plug the Group 4s. I promise you won't be dissapointed! I spent a little time behind a Type R (and a 951!) and I understand your perspective. I was at MPJ Performance yesterday and they asked how I liked the G4s, and then said they have a really hard time selling them. Everybody wants Japanese COs and don't even look twice at the Whitelines. The Japanese are into drifting, and their tuning reflects that. The Australians have the most rugged terrain in the world and Whiteline was tuning Subarus way back. They also had a hand at developing the legendary DMS stuff, but wanted to take the evolution down a different path. The Group 4s are more compliant, more adjustable, and better made than anything else in that price range. I couldn't find anything I liked better at ANY price range (Ohlins don't count!)
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FOr under 1000, what does everyone think about the TEIN Basics? Or does anyone have experience or have ridden in a WRX that is equipped with one?
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