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Old 08-21-2004, 09:43 AM   #1
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Default Is The Sti Worth The Extra 14,000

Is it worth it to have a fast car, but with no a/c and no radio?
2 things that are important in cars.
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Old 08-21-2004, 09:52 AM   #2
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AC was always included and a radio is standard for 2005.

Who told you it 14000 more. I think you need to do a little more research.

It is way worth the price difference.
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:16 AM   #3
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The RS is about 18,000. w/$1000 tax= $19,000
The STI is 31,000 w/$1,800 tax= $32,800
32,800-19,000= $13,800
I have heard that the sti had no a/c from numerous places
It's possible that they bought one where the a/c was removed for the
hope of more power, or less weight.
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:32 AM   #4
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First off the STi is only 7-8k more than the WRX. You should not be paying more than 31k, and many WRX's are going for 23k once optioned out. I was offered an 04 STI for 28960 last year. Brand new.

Is it worth it? If you are going to stay stock with the WRX, then no
If you are going to go beyond up pipe-full turboback and suspension, then yes, you should have just bought the STI.
If there is ANY chance whatsoever that you will go for a stage 4 setup (management, turbo, injectors,pump, full exh, maybe TMIC/FMIC), and be reaslistic, we ALL said we would never go that far, and 90% of us end up doing it, then you should DEFINATELY just buy the STI


Oh and the STI has ALWAYS came with A/C, who told you it didnt? (smack them) ANd CD radios are now standard equip.
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:32 AM   #5
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Dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong w/ a 300 hp car, espc 4wd
but i didn't have that type of $$ ,also I live in NJ my insurance would be
4-5000 /year. I got a quote for 4,200 for a wrx
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:35 AM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin2.5rs
The RS is about 18,000. w/$1000 tax= $19,000
The STI is 31,000 w/$1,800 tax= $32,800
32,800-19,000= $13,800
I have heard that the sti had no a/c from numerous places
It's possible that they bought one where the a/c was removed for the
hope of more power, or less weight.
Its not a possibility, it was 100% one of two things.
1. They DID remove it for weight
2. You heard it from idiots that have never actually SEEN an STI, as like I said, they have ALWAYS had A/C as standard equip, and you cannot order it from subaru without A/C



Oh and we thought you were speaking of STI vs WRX costs
STI vs RS comes down to if you can afford the payments. Because the STI is literally a monster compared to an RS. (or even a stock WRX)
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:36 AM   #7
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He's talking in reference to an RS, not a WRX.

It is WAY worth the upgrade. Go drive one and see for yourself. There is really no ocmparing an RS and an STi -- they are 2 totally different cars in 2 totally differnet markets.

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Old 08-21-2004, 10:52 AM   #8
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I've tryed asking this to the N/A guys but their no help.
You people seem to be a bit smarter.

1. What is the difference between the decks in the rs & sti
Open, closed, semi-closed

2. for my 2.5rs to hold 4-5 psi w/ turbo kit what internal mods do i need.

3. please dont tell me to search Ive spent the past 3 weeks doing that
and all ive came up with is that a lot of people don't know what their doing
& blow their engines.

4. Exclude all info of piping, exhaust, fuel, engine mangmnt.
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Old 08-21-2004, 11:43 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin2.5rs
I've tryed asking this to the N/A guys but their no help.
You people seem to be a bit smarter.

1. What is the difference between the decks in the rs & sti
Open, closed, semi-closed

2. for my 2.5rs to hold 4-5 psi w/ turbo kit what internal mods do i need.
1. The STi 2.5 block is a semi closed deck shortblock engine. The 2.5RS is open deck still but I am assuming on that one. It seems like it would almost make sense from a manufactuing "one product line" for the RS to potentially use the same shortblock as the STi.

2. My biggest thing with turboing/supercharging any stock NA car is you never seem to quite get all the quirks out and get consistent smooth operation (throttle, hestitaion, transtition from vacuum to boost, etc) like you do with a factory turbo charged car. This is my experience coming from a supercharged 99 prelude and other people who I know who have gone with turboning older late 90s RS Imprezas.

Overall though like other peoople have said it is worth it to get the STi over either the RS or WRX since you cannot match that price if you decide to do all the upgrades after the fact (IE: 6 speed tranny, engine+heads/AVCS, diffs, axles, etc).

You might just want to buy an older RS and do a WRX 2.0L engine/drivetrain swap if insurance is really that bad. SCC did a nice little writeup of what that entails a couple of months back. I haven't looked but you should beable to pick up a 2.0L long block + tranny for a reasonable price... you might even beable to use the stock RS tranny for a little while .
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Old 08-21-2004, 12:09 PM   #10
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For your RS to hold 4-5psi you won't need any internal modifications. Just keep detonation in check and your EGT's under 1450 and you should be fine. My 98 RS-T held up to some serious abuse on stock block. Like davidm_sh suggested a WRX swap might be a good idea. You'll at least have a nice reliable setup that you won't have to worry about it popping on you.

The difference between an STi and RS is huge. The STi is a great car, not because it has AWD and makes 300hp. It's the sum of it's parts and the balance of those parts that makes it awesome. Anyways, check the Aftermarket Forced Induction forum if you're interested in the RS-T route. Tons of good information in there that'll keep you busy for a year!

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Old 08-21-2004, 01:21 PM   #11
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I was going to do the STI swap on my 99 2.5rs but after much thought to all the pros and cons decided to buy the 04 STI. I if you have the cash to play go for it otherwise I would not recommend doing it.
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Old 08-21-2004, 03:00 PM   #12
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Cost wise you will always come out ahead buying a car that is what you want stock, compared to "upgrading" it into what you want. I have spent 25K+ on modding my WRX, and most of the parts would have already been there on a STi. Unfortunately there is no such thing as a STi wagon, so I had no other choice.
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Old 08-21-2004, 04:16 PM   #13
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A turbo RS still wont be even CLOSE to as fast as an STi... you will be lucky to get it to run like a WRX in fact.

Also you forget about resale value. The RS will be worth less than stock and the STi will be worth quite a bit if you dont kill it.

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Old 08-21-2004, 07:38 PM   #14
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I'd say go STi - yes it costs more but as others have said you've got a kickin' ride out of the box w/o the headaches and costs of upgrading an existing ride.
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Old 08-21-2004, 11:03 PM   #15
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And don't forget a stock STi's overall performance, components (tranny, clutch, suspension bits, brakes, etc.) are matched to the 300 hp engine and they are factory warrantied.

Moduify your RS or WRX and your warranty maybe denied (if they can prove the mods contributed to the failure). Type R stickers don't count.
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Old 08-22-2004, 12:51 AM   #16
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comparing RS to STI?

answer is very obvious
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Old 08-22-2004, 12:58 AM   #17
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An STi might not be the best idea in jersey....and insurance will eat you alive....and....I couldn't live with the constant fear of it being stolen.
Ideally, the STi is the best bet, but given all the possible downsides...I'd build a sleeper...looks that get lost in the crowd and performance that does not.
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Old 08-22-2004, 02:11 AM   #18
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price it out part by part or go to the classifieds and take those prices and figure in labor if u can't u do it. The STi is a steal.
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Old 08-22-2004, 05:36 AM   #19
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As I always say... If you cant afford an STi in the first place, chances are you cant afford to do a complete conversion cause it will cost about the same in the end, if not more... except the STi will definately make 300hp and it will definatly be worth more.

If high theft is a problem consider this.

Do you want your stock STi stolen or an RS with a conversion stolen?
You will get the replacement value of each car... mods excluded. Unless your going to claim the mods on the policy... which will bring your rates up near STi levels in the first place...

It all goes in one big circle...

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Old 08-22-2004, 01:53 PM   #20
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The guy already says he doesn't have the $$ for an STi, and his profile says 2.5RS. He isn't looking for advice, it was just a general question that a little bit of research could provide an obvious answer to.

Oh, and as for the question - and as twenty other people already said - "Yes."
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Old 08-22-2004, 05:20 PM   #21
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Remember that he also said the his insurance is out the roof. If you really wanted to turbo your car, then I would say do an swap with the wrx motor. That way you only are paying the insurance for your RS. I bet you could find a complete motor and ecu for one for about 1500-2000 complete with turbo, IC Ect....

If you look, there are a lot of WRX's going to a JDM Sti Longblock and selling their old motor. You could even do a JDM sti block. But you would need to source out a wiring harness.

An Sti is the way to go, but that is if you have the money. I personally like the Sti, but I wanted a wagon. SO now I am spending barrells full of cash trying to make it a Sti Wagon.

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Old 08-22-2004, 05:53 PM   #22
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To me this is a no-brainer, You bet its worth the money! The brakes, the wheels & tires, the tranny & DCCD , the engine, the trim pieces, the seats (well... there aren't that good), suspension, etc. Its a giant amount of stuff you get with an STI, and its all installed and tested. If anything breaks the dealer will fix it.
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Theres a guy selling a wrecked WRX for $6500 in the new england forum. That would be the perfect donor car.

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The STI is a great bargain considering what it would take to make a WRX, much less an RS its equal.

Base WRX starts out at $25,000 these days.
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Dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong w/ a 300 hp car, espc 4wd
but i didn't have that type of $$ ,also I live in NJ my insurance would be
4-5000 /year. I got a quote for 4,200 for a wrx
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