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Old 02-24-2000, 06:14 PM   #1
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hey sound guys

I have a my99 RS with the "premium" sound package. At first i thought this system sounded alright, but as i want the music to get louder, they sound just gets really crappy.

I have come to the conclusion that I want to get a system for my car. I don't wanna spend too much, probably under $700, (im only 17, im not made of money, yet, heh).

What are your suggestions in the way of head units, speakers, wires, amps, and subs.

By the way, i have a portable mp3 player, that i love to put in my car and run it to the tape deck. Also, im a hockey player, so i need all the room i can get in the trunk. Does anyone make a Stealth box for a sub so it dosen't take up too much room?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I am new in the Stereo world.

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Old 02-24-2000, 07:27 PM   #2
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Hey man im only 17 too. I put 2 Xtant 12's in a sealed box that I custom built to the trunk. And i got and Xtant amp to match. With everything including wires adn **** i payed about $550. Pretty cheap and really loud.
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Old 02-25-2000, 02:21 AM   #3
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If space is a priority go with an enclosed trunk. Pricey.. but roomy. take a look at this



THose are 2 12" orion xtr dvcs.. they pound very hard with the ppi powerclass amps. But all quite expensive. Always go with american amps if u want pure power, they will always pound louder than japanese amps rated at the same wattage.
for wiring go with phoenix gold or scoshe (Forgot how to spell)
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i like clarion headunits and mbquart component speakers! =)
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Old 02-25-2000, 02:27 AM   #4
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Old 02-25-2000, 05:36 AM   #5
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I was going to ask the same question chris.

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Old 02-25-2000, 06:35 AM   #6
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Orbiter seeing that reminded me of when I had my Boston 10's in a box almost identical to that looks real good. I switched to a JL audio Microsub 8.3 (3 JL 8w6's) as it is way easier to remove for autoX.
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Old 02-25-2000, 01:16 PM   #7
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hahah i have no spare tire in there. When i go on trips all i gotta do is put the covers on the speakers/amprack and pop it on top. I keep a can of run-flat foam in the car. I am also a BCAA member. so i dont worry about flats =)
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ps the entire enclosure is sealed. only way itll come out is if u rip it out =)



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Old 02-25-2000, 02:06 PM   #8
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Ok heres my suggestion (actually in the price range *cough* Orbiter ):
Pioneer KEH-P5900 HU- $200
Pioneer CDX-P650 CD Changer- $230
Pioneer TSW253F Sub- $100
USAcoustics USX2050 Amp- $110
Total: $640
All prices are from Crutchfield. You can probably find them a little cheaper elsewhere but, Crutchfield gives you install guides for free and their people are very helpful.

Ok, you can say some money if you don't want a CD player and buy some speakers with that. The sub I picked is a free-air one. I think this would be good for you because you should be able to mount it your rear deck (correst me if I'm wrong guys, I don't have an Impreza) if your comfortable with cutting up your car. It won't pound but it should sound alot better than what you have now. It will also save truck space, the magnet will hang down and you will have to protect it with something, but it will take up less space than a box and will cost less too.

Your stock speakers should sound better because they will have more power going to them. If you don't want boom than don't buy the sub and amp and get some quality speakers instead.
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Old 03-01-2000, 08:56 AM   #9
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Something you can do to get a good starter system on a budget is this:

- Buy a Decent Head Unit. look for the features you want and stick to a major manufacturer. Some of the off brand stuff is way to shady. Also see if you can buy it from Circuit City as the extra warranty is great when you need the unit fixed after 3 years of heavy use.

- You can leave the stock speakers in place for now. You will run these off your new head unit.

- Buy a decent amp that can handle a 2 ohm mono load. The new stuff from Sony is cheap and relatively good. Is it xtant or McIntosh, NO, but we are looking for a budget here. You want the 2 ohm mono as it allows further expansion later and can be a litmus test as to basic stability of the design and power supplies used on the amp.

- Buy a QUALITY SINGLE 12" sub. I would recommend a sub designed for a small sealed enclosure as these are the easiest to build.

Believe it or not you can get an amazing amount of performance (ie.decibels) out of one speaker in a hatchback.

I have used this setup in many cars and it has always provided the flexibiliy to expand later yet provide decent sound now.
Please feel free to email directly with any questions.

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Old 03-01-2000, 09:26 AM   #10
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My setup looks like crap, till I find a good way to set it up (the picture above looks like a great idea) (thanks orbitor!), check it out at http://subyprez20.itgo.com under the photo section at the bottom, two JL12w3's with an Alipine V12 amp. Cost 1400, but it does sound nice. As far as a $700 or lower system...does that include a new head unit, installation, amp?

Weird looking impreza car,
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Old 03-01-2000, 10:32 AM   #11
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BryanH,

in another thread you said you were an installer of 15years and you actually recommended STOCK speakers plus a single powered sub? That's only good for one kind of customer, a boomer. 85% of the musical content in other types of music is going to come from the frequencies the sub doesn't play... and the stock speakers suck!
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Old 03-01-2000, 11:41 AM   #12
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I have been an installer for the past 15 years. Yes, since 1985. My recommendation was meant to provide a STARTING point. This setup would be really bass heavy depending upon your setup of the amplifier. They do have gain controls and you can attenuate the signal to a reasonable level.

Would you probably want to add another amp and decent speakers. Yes, as fast as possible!!!!

I don't know the size of the Subaru speakers, yet, but would recommend a/d/s speakers as I just installed them in my wifes Acura TL and they sound phenomenal. Much better than the MB Quarts I just took out.

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Old 03-01-2000, 11:45 AM   #13
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Also, do I install now? no. network engineering pays MUCH better and you don't have to crawl around under some morons dirty nasty dash.
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Old 03-01-2000, 11:52 AM   #14
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HockeyguyRS-For my RS sedan I put a Rockford Fosgate head unit(a steal at $200) and a set of 5 1/4 components up front. It probably has as much bass as your "sub" coming from the stock rear speakers and the sound from the fronts is crystal clear. I'm planning on adding an MTX amp and a set of 6x9's in the rear deck since I don't want to lose trunk space and my friend has these items sitting around.


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Old 03-01-2000, 04:35 PM   #15
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The trunk honestly looks boring with the covers in place. just imagine carpet over the amp.. flush with the box.. and speaker grill over the subs =)
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Old 03-02-2000, 12:12 AM   #16
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[It probably has as much bass as your "sub" coming from the stock rear speakers and the sound from the fronts is crystal clear

While I agree yourt fronts probably sound great you oblivously have never had a sub woofer in your vehicle if you can honestly think that your stock speakers will give anywhere near the reponse or output of even a single 12 inch sub.

Also, Orbiter, Nice trunk! What does it look like with the cover panels in place?


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Old 03-02-2000, 12:28 AM   #17
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BryanH-You misunderstood me. HockeyguyRS originally posted that he currently has the factory "premium" sound package. This package comes with a sub/amp combo that goes under the drivers seat. My wife has this in her Outback and my stereo has almost the same bass as hers even though the OB's have a substantially better stock head unit than the RS. I'm definitely not saying I have as much bass as a 12" sub would give me, that's just silly.

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Old 03-02-2000, 12:31 AM   #18
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Sorry for the confusion as I have never even heard the system. I am going to order an RS after work today and would really like to know if I should just tell them to keep the whole system. Is it really that bad?
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Old 03-02-2000, 12:34 AM   #19
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Unfortunately, it's really that bad. Get the tape deck and basic speakers.
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Old 03-02-2000, 12:37 AM   #20
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Define "that bad". I originally was going to keep my stock stereo for a few months but after listening to it in contrast to the stereo in my wife's OB I couldn't stand it. At highway speed you could barely hear it over the wind/road noise. I think it lasted 3 weeks and only because I hardly listened to it(the motor sounded much better).
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Old 03-02-2000, 12:37 AM   #21
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I really didn't want to have to tear apart my car as soon as i got it , but, OH WELL! New Sound "hear" I come!!!
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Old 03-02-2000, 12:46 AM   #22
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hey guys, thanks for the info

now what do you suggest i get for around $700 or so. i want new speakers too, the stock ones suck. where do i put a sub if i want to keep my trunk space?

thanks
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Old 03-02-2000, 12:52 AM   #23
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I suppose the stock system comes with a cd player if its the "Premium" system. If the stock speakers aren't some wierd ohm rating you may try replacing them first. Don't skimp! The problem for me is that you only have 700 and want to replace everything, at least that's what it sounds like.

Have you checked the pawn shops for a good amp and maybe subs? If you go this route please be careful with headunits as they don't tend to show many flaws if demoed in the store.

As for Bass? i already ran my yap about that too much.

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