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Old 09-22-2004, 11:57 PM   #26
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Subaru is selling a product that can acomplish a certain task, they say the WRX can go 0-60 in 5.4 secs, then it should be able to do so and do repetaly untill its out of warrenty with out problems. Is it abuse yes for this car it seems to be, but subaru says the car can do so, so it should be able to untill its out of warrenty, at the earlist.
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Old 09-23-2004, 08:22 AM   #27
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Part of the arguement here regarding the closed course, trained drivers, and John Force is simply not valid and might be the most rediculous cop out I have ever heard.

If you cannot see the difference between John Force blasting down the quarter mile in a tube frame funny car with a shell that *vaguely* resembles a mustang and a HUGE sign on the dealership floor than you seriously need to sit down and think about your life and your ability to percieve the oblivous. I am pretty sure no one here is gonna try to go out and operate a BMW in the same manner as a recent Citibank commercial I saw where the car was skidding all over the place. It was clearly cosed course stuff by drivers far better than me. And I would prbably end up in the hospital if I tried something like that.

Even Chevrolet pulled a Corvette commercial lately that showed a little kid driving really fast in a C6. Not because it was a little kid but because of the driving portrayed. And it was glaringly oblivous that 99% of what was going on was closed course and the majority of it was probably computer simulated.

I don't think it logical for someone to go to a drag strip and then try to warranty the damage to the drivetrain but Subaru and its dealers do need to tone down the marketing a little bit. Don't advertise for something the product cannot do repeatedly. I DONT CARE WHO MADE THE 5.4 0-60 NUMBER...SUBARU IS THE ONE ADVERTISING IT! Again the MANUFACTURER is the one advertising it! And they do bear some liability in the current mess they have created.
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Old 09-23-2004, 08:24 AM   #28
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You have to remember, these cars are modified for these things by PROFESSIONALS, not your "driveway installer" (don't mean to offend anyone who actually knows what they are doing), they put on modifications that actually are MADE for the car (specially designed, not bought at the local auto parts store, etc) and they don't go back to Subaru and whine when they break something.

They are also professional drivers, trained to drive the way they drive. I'm sure they don't get in their Honda/Toyota/whatever and drive the same way, break something and take it to the dealer and expect something covered under warranty.

P.S. Ford, Chevy and Pontiac all sponsor cars in NASCAR, but you don't see anyone complaining about their warranty!
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Old 09-23-2004, 08:55 PM   #29
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So you think Subaru should warranty cover a car used for rallying, or drag racing, or what ever because they have a motorsports program that backs these activities? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard! What manufacturer does that?

I wonder what strange looks John Force would get trying to bring his Ford dragster into the local dealer for warranty work!

Subaru doesn't want it both ways, idiot owners do.

Subaru states in print (Owners manual) what can/will impact the defect warranty offered with the car. It's the non-reading owners who think they can race, rally whatever their cars and get them fixed for free.

Opie, buddy, set down the pipe and take two steps back.
It's not possible that you could have mis-represented the agument any worse.

NOBODY THINKS ANY MANUFACTURER SHOULD WARRANTY RACE CARS/RACE DAMAGE!!

NOBODY SHOULD EXPECT THAT IF THEY TAKE THEIR WRX TO ONE OR TWO AUTO-X'S AND THEN A MONTH LATER WITH LESS THAN 20K ON THE CLOCK AND THE TRANNY IMPLODES THEY SHOULD GET CRAP FROM SOA.
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Old 09-24-2004, 07:52 AM   #30
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Opie, buddy, set down the pipe and take two steps back.
It's not possible that you could have mis-represented the agument any worse.

NOBODY THINKS ANY MANUFACTURER SHOULD WARRANTY RACE CARS/RACE DAMAGE!!

NOBODY SHOULD EXPECT THAT IF THEY TAKE THEIR WRX TO ONE OR TWO AUTO-X'S AND THEN A MONTH LATER WITH LESS THAN 20K ON THE CLOCK AND THE TRANNY IMPLODES THEY SHOULD GET CRAP FROM SOA.
You clearly said in a previous post that because Subaru uses C&D's 5.3 0-60 time everyone should be able to replicate those times all day long without consequence and that Subaru's promotion of motorsports activities should clear a path for any purchaser that damages their car trying to duplicate these motorsport activities. My comments were obviously (to me anyway) an over-exageration to make a point. Secondly, Subaru is in business to sell cars, in the U.S. drag racing appeals to the youth market. The problem lies in the fact that todays youth (and older folks too) can't distiguish between a purpose built drag car (the ESX WRX) and their own WRX straight off the lot.

Autocrossing, drag racing and even missing a shift can all be abusive activities...and damage from abuse does not = a product defect. And I'm sure the ESX WRX doesn't have a warranty.

If you own a Jeep...why are you here anyway?

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Old 09-24-2004, 08:04 AM   #31
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Opie,

The point is that Subaru needs to STOP using anyone elses time. Don't brag about performance and then not be able to step up to the plate and deliver.

The comparison to the ladder above is accurate. If its rated at 250# it damn well better be able to carry 250#.

Why do you think Ford and GM under rate the hell out of towing and payload specs on there trucks?

And if you cannot tell the difference in Chevy and Ford sponsoring NASCAR and NHRA and GIVING a new car purchaser a SCCA membership (regardless of the fine print) then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
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Old 09-24-2004, 08:54 AM   #32
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And if you cannot tell the difference in Chevy and Ford sponsoring NASCAR and NHRA and GIVING a new car purchaser a SCCA membership (regardless of the fine print) then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

I can tell the difference...that's the point...

and the fine print is there for a reason....so people dont expect something for nothing
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Old 09-24-2004, 08:57 AM   #33
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The comparison to the ladder above is accurate. If its rated at 250# it damn well better be able to carry 250#.
And do you agree that if a 200lb person were to jump on one of the rungs and it were to break, that would be considered abuse?
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Old 09-24-2004, 09:01 AM   #34
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eh... the LGT, FXT, and BT do not share the same tranny as the WRX... this fact has already been proven. The gearbox in these is FAR more sturdy than the WRX's.

I have a sloppy 2nd gear synchro (slow, end up grinding going into 2nd occasionally) that I'm sure SOA is going to give me crap about if I try to take in to be looked at.
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Old 09-24-2004, 09:24 AM   #35
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Rexy....its speaking out of both sides of your mouth to give someone a membership to an organization dedicated to performance driving and then slapping there hand when they do it. Leave the legalities out of this for a second and put on your common sense cap....its just not the right thing to do. But then again most advertising is not aimed at the "right thing"

Yeah...if a 200# person were to jump up and down on a ring and it broke this would be abuse. But if that same 200# person were simply walking up the ladder and it broke this would not be outside the scope of intended usage. And what I wory about here is Subaru...maybe intentionally but probably not...extending the range of what is considered intentional usage of there product.

To put this in perspective...I was at the Chevrolet dealership this morning picking up a friend that was dropping off his barnd new C6 corvette and can you guess how many "WANNA RACE?" or 0-60 in blah blah blah sings I saw.....If you guess ZERO you are correct. And I will bet the C6 corvette will outperform the WRX in every category except maybe hauling around my two kid seats.

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Old 09-24-2004, 10:00 AM   #36
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Rexy....its speaking out of both sides of your mouth to give someone a membership to an organization dedicated to performance driving and then slapping there hand when they do it.
Have you read the free SCCA membership form?

There is a lot in the SCCA that doesn't involve racing street cars:
Solo 1, rally (driving, navigating, working), club and pro racing.

Only Solo2, ProSolo and rallycross involve street cars.

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Old 09-24-2004, 10:12 AM   #37
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If you own a Jeep...why are you here anyway?
How many mods still own a Subaru, let alone an Impreza?
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Old 09-24-2004, 10:12 AM   #38
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Have you read the free SCCA membership form?

There is a lot in the SCCA that doesn't involve racing street cars:
Solo 1, rally (driving, navigating, working), club and pro racing.

Only Solo2, ProSolo and rallycross involve street cars.

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Absolutely I have.

And I have also gotten the VERY direct impression for SoA and there dealerships that they do not want you involved with ANY of these activities.

If you haven't had this experience...great!...but I have.
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Old 09-24-2004, 10:36 AM   #39
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Absolutely I have.

And I have also gotten the VERY direct impression for SoA and there dealerships that they do not want you involved with ANY of these activities.

If you haven't had this experience...great!...but I have.
Which activities? I don't think they care what you do (you own the car, that is your choice), but your warranty doesn't cover racing or abuse, so you have to make that decision.

What is the problem?
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Old 09-24-2004, 11:33 AM   #40
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I got the rather distinct impression that they did not want "their cars" anywhere near anything to do with SCCA.

I guess you were supposed to go buy another car to use the free membership on.
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Old 09-24-2004, 12:05 PM   #41
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I got the rather distinct impression that they did not want "their cars" anywhere near anything to do with SCCA.
That must be the reason they sponsor the Subaru Challenge
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Old 09-24-2004, 03:04 PM   #42
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How many mods still own a Subaru, let alone an Impreza?
Most do- I own two .


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Old 09-24-2004, 03:10 PM   #43
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I feel SOA should pay for my tranny that I blew at 26K doing an Auto-X launch (don't have a cow I Subaru never even saw the car)
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I got the rather distinct impression that they did not want "their cars" anywhere near anything to do with SCCA.

I guess you were supposed to go buy another car to use the free membership on.
Again, that is nothing to do with them. If you race your car, you have to pay to fix it. There's a lot more to being involved with the SCCA than racing street spec Subarus in autox.

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Old 09-24-2004, 05:01 PM   #45
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I'm not a mod, but I'm up to nine(currently,over 20 total) . I guess I count for them.
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Old 09-24-2004, 10:07 PM   #46
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How many mods still own a Subaru, let alone an Impreza?
I still own 2 Subaru's out of the 6 I've owned total. Some of them were just daily drivers, some were auto-x'd some were even rally-x'd...I never worried about the warranty. If something broke and they fixed it fine, if they said it was something I caused, I paid for it. I read (and understood) the owners manual. It's pretty siomple stuff...including the SCCA membership.

It's a shame individual accountability is such a rare thing these days....
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Ha!
You only own two, n00b!!
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Congratulations on completely missing the point.
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Congratulations on completely missing the point.
Says the guy that thinks a SCCA membership is only for racing......
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Blatant abuse of a car should void the warranty. Periodic autocross should not as the WRX and STi were designed with such things in mind. Drag racing probably should be considered abuse as the cars weren't originally intended for this use.

If buying you a one year membership in SCCA and saying go out and enjoy your car in a safe and positive way is not encouraging you to autocross I don't know what is. Go back and read the fread SCCA membership pamphlet in case you forgot what it says in it.

My car was designed with 300 hp if the drivetrain can't handle that power and I am driving in a non abusive manner I shouldn't be held accountable if something breaks during the warranty.

The bottom line for me so far is that Subaru has honored my warranty so far and I do occasionally engage in sporting activities. That doesn't mean by default that the car is being abused. If memory serves this is in keeping with Subaru's opinion too and that's fair enough for me.
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