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Old 09-27-2004, 04:51 PM   #1
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Default "Pink Springs": make sure you're getting the right ones.

The phrase "pink springs" has become useless lately..

I know of at least two sets:

-The JDM Ver8 STi pink lowering springs that RaceComp Engineering sells, with spring rates of 252F 217R (aka, "JDM pinks"?)

-The ones now getting sold by a lot of vendors simply labelled "pink springs" - I think these are SPT parts - according to one vendor the spring rates are 223F 195R (progressive)

I think there are older ones made by SPT for the WRX and possibly others..

Can we consolidate that info into one thread? And correct any of my info if it's bad

Basically I hate to see people buying "pink springs" (and vendors selling "pink springs") thinking they are the same springs that have gotten all the buzz, when they are not

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Old 09-27-2004, 05:53 PM   #2
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I see this ALOT and field alot of e-mails about it. SO as a result people are selling them selves short on the JDM product and settling for a a progressive wound spring that will allow the sti to be even bouncier, as its overdamped already.

We ONLY sell the REAL, JDM pink REV -C ( revision C )as in designed for the spec-c, as a "sporting" lowering spring. Anything less than this is a severe compromise and anyone who justifies taking the other route is letting their pockets reason with their ignorance.

Sorry to be hard core, but some things are rediculous.

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Old 09-27-2004, 05:54 PM   #3
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Old 09-27-2004, 06:46 PM   #4
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>Anything less than this is a severe compromise and anyone who justifies
>taking the other route is letting their pockets reason with their ignorance.

Unless you have a wagon ;-)

The WRX Pinks are available in a wagon specific version, the STi Pinks are not.

There were also Pink springs for previous STis (V7, V6) as well, so, yes, make sure you're getting the right version.

Here are the ones I know of:

V6 STi sedan - 200/185
V7 STi sedan- 215/190
V8 STi sedan- 257/217
04 WRX sedan - ???/???
04 WRX wagon - 223/192 (w/longer rear free length than sedan)
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Old 09-27-2004, 07:22 PM   #5
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These are being sold on ebay as Sti Pink Springs as well:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
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Old 09-27-2004, 07:27 PM   #6
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Quote:
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>Anything less than this is a severe compromise and anyone who justifies
>taking the other route is letting their pockets reason with their ignorance.

Unless you have a wagon ;-)

The WRX Pinks are available in a wagon specific version, the STi Pinks are not.

There were also Pink springs for previous STis (V7, V6) as well, so, yes, make sure you're getting the right version.

Here are the ones I know of:

V6 STi sedan - 200/185
V7 STi sedan- 215/190
V8 STi sedan- 257/217
04 WRX sedan - ???/???
04 WRX wagon - 223/192 (w/longer rear free length than sedan)
Thats kool, but thats not the issue here , its the vendors who cant get the pinks, and even some who can get them , but who offer this product as well with little or no disclosure about the differences. Allowing people to think they are getting something they are not. This isnt Canal Street in New York !! Are pinks such a hot thing that there has to be a legal method of deception within the Subaru community?.......

Ok, I'll calm down now

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Old 09-27-2004, 08:06 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by AllWheelsDriven
These are being sold on ebay as Sti Pink Springs as well:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
This add clearly states in the headline:
"New Subaru WRX "Pink" Lowering Springs by STi
Designed for 2004 & 2005 Subaru WRX Sedans"

Only people who have no idea what they're buying would think these are V8 lowering springs.
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Old 09-27-2004, 08:14 PM   #8
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..and thats alot of people,...as I get the e-mails and have people swear up and down that they are JDM,..but more importnat ,..and this is MY point,.....the vendors are tleling the V8 seekers that they are the JDM, until its time to produce a part # ,...thats my point. ANyway, what-ever. I guess its like anything else in this world. There are fast guys, rich guys and idiots.
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Old 09-27-2004, 08:47 PM   #9
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Are pinks such a hot thing that there has to be a legal method of deception within the Subaru community?.......

Ok, I'll calm down now

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Are you trying to say that Subaru of America and SPT are purposefully deceiving people by offering springs that are pink in color?

The issue here should be (as ButtDyno said in his first post) that there are different versions of the "pink springs" and that they have existed for multiple versions of the STi. The fact that people refer to them as pink springs has always been confusing and is only more so now with the release of the SPT versions. It would make things easier for everyone if people were more specific about which pink springs they were talking about. Mark has provided a pretty good list to start with. I believe that the SPT pink springs for the 04 Sedan are 223F/195R. So basically the same as the wagon springs but with a free length that is appropriate for the sedan.
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Old 09-27-2004, 08:52 PM   #10
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NO, I am saying vendors who sell and offer these NON -JDM pinks, some knowingly sel them to people who ask for pinks who dont explain they want the JDM version.

I am really talking about the STI version8 owners who price shop for "pinks" and find someone who,.. doesnt ask ,.."what kinda car?...and then the Sti owner is very happy because he or she found some for 140.00 less than the JDM version, BUT this customer wont ever know maybe, that he or she wont be getting the real thing.

Thats what I am saying.
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Old 09-27-2004, 09:03 PM   #11
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Yeah, IMHO the lesson is, (not that its a new one)

"if something seems too good to be true it probably is"

I just think it's shady that the newer ones are being referred to not as SPT springs, or SOA springs or something, but pink springs..

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Old 09-27-2004, 09:34 PM   #12
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I fear a certain amount of ignorance from some vendors, not recognizing the difference between all the different pink springs out there. Open deception? I would hope not. From my experience there are more idiots out there than unscrupulous folk.

As an internet consumer we also have a responsibility to know about what we are asking for, or at the least know what to ask. We have to do some research, part numbers, proper terminology, car years, etc.
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I fear a certain amount of ignorance from some vendors, not recognizing the difference between all the different pink springs out there. Open deception? I would hope not. From my experience there are more idiots out there than unscrupulous folk.

As an internet consumer we also have a responsibility to know about what we are asking for, or at the least know what to ask. We have to do some research, part numbers, proper terminology, car years, etc.
i',m with you on that Arnie,.I agreee 1000 %

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Old 09-27-2004, 10:01 PM   #14
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Quote:
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I just think it's shady that the newer ones are being referred to not as SPT springs, or SOA springs or something, but pink springs..
You can't buy any old Eibach Pro Kit or Tein S-Tech springs either. You have to buy the correct one for your car/setup, and there are a lot more versions of these springs than there are STi Pinks. Subaru has contributed to the problem by having slightly confusing nomenclature, but as in all walks of life, he who doesn't do his research is going to be "surprised" from time to time, either by unscrupulous vendors, or by his own ignorance.
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:53 PM   #15
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how can you visually tell the difference? there are no part numbers on them or anything...
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:58 PM   #16
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Me likey Prodrive springs mo better anway.
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Old 09-27-2004, 11:45 PM   #17
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Have now ridden on both the prodrive and the "JDM -C pinks" in STi's. Both are a huge improvement over stock, but me likey the pinks better. YMMV.
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Why?
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Have now ridden on both the prodrive and the "JDM -C pinks" in STi's. Both are a huge improvement over stock, but me likey the pinks better. YMMV.

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Old 09-28-2004, 12:58 AM   #20
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so for the 2004 wrx sedans(or 2005) the springs that everyone is getting and everyone really likes is te jdm sti version 8 spec C pink springs? am i getting this right? or are tehse "pinks" just for the sti?
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Skyline: The JDM "pink" STi V8 lowering springs are the ones you hear many STi owners saying positive things about. They're designed for STi sedans on STi struts. Subaru, however, recently released new wagon and sedan versions of 04 style "pink" springs for the WRX. These are not as stiff, and not as expensive. This conversation has been about people buying the new springs thinking they are getting the JDM V8s, and about vendors selling the new springs and either mistakenly or conciously not telling buyers about the difference.
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Old 09-28-2004, 10:40 AM   #22
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Your comment is not germane to the discussion at hand. Also, you should note rule #12 for the site:

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This is an informational topic for part numbers and the resulting confusion that comes from having so many options available with the same basic label, not a "which spring is better" discussion.
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Old 09-28-2004, 02:30 PM   #23
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This add clearly states in the headline:
"New Subaru WRX "Pink" Lowering Springs by STi
Designed for 2004 & 2005 Subaru WRX Sedans"

Only people who have no idea what they're buying would think these are V8 lowering springs.
I don't see where the ****ing confusing is. There ARE and have been for a couple years now, official STI Pink springs made for the STI AND for the WRX.

The WRXPinks are exactly the same as the stock v.8 STI springs while the STIPinks are the 257/217. Using the STIPinks on a WRX will result in a severely oversprung suspension. Using the WRXPinks on the WRX will yield a suspension that rides a little like the stock STI but with far less damping. Using the STIPinks on an STI will give you handling bliss while using the WRXPinks on the STI will give you... absolutely the same as stock, with added bling.

If SPT dealers are selling the WRXPinks to STI Owners, those sti owners are paying a few hundred dollars for pink paint but then, this is wholly typical of SPT, who sells all kind of **** that isn't applicable to a specific model/year despite their site being configured to search by model/year.

Stick with the long-standing performance parts vendors like racecomp until SPT figures their **** out. Personally, I wish we could go back 1.5 years to when "Pinks" referred only to the pink pillowball lateral links and if you wanted to talk about the springs, you had to say "STI Lowering Springs". Can't stop the onrush of lackadaisical terminology though.

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so for the WRX sedans, you should get the WRXPinks made for the WRX by subaru, not the spec-c STi Ver8 springs, is the wrx pinks a good spring for the wrx for a better ride/handling and drop? how much does it drop?

i see on raceompengineering's site that they sell the STi pinks, and it says its for impreza also? not the sti, but someone said its "Using the STIPinks on a WRX will result in a severely oversprung suspension." so is the sti pinks BAD for the wrx impreza?

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Personally, I wish we could go back 1.5 years to when "Pinks" referred only to the pink pillowball lateral links and if you wanted to talk about the springs, you had to say "STI Lowering Springs". Can't stop the onrush of lackadaisical terminology though.

yeah....now it seems that "Pinks" refer to the Sti upgraged injectors.
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