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Old 09-29-2004, 07:53 PM   #1
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News Mn Wrx Owners Must Read!!!

You may have seen it on the news the other night that the governer in MN is fighting to cut MN gasoline consumption in half. He proposes that we DOUBLE the amount of ethanol in MN gasoline. We already have a 10% minimum... isn't that enough? Everyone knows that corn fuel kills turbos. Obviously Mr. Pawlenty doesn't drive one. Man I hate liberal pansies. We need to do something to stop this nonsense! I can't afford to run my daily driver on race gas!

I highly doubt SOA will warranty anything related to using the improper fuel. Any thoughts?
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Old 09-29-2004, 08:01 PM   #2
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Maybe he should just raise the taxes on gas in MN. I can't believe how cheap your gas is.
My last visit (a month ago)
WI: 1.99 for regular
MN: 1.65 (and people were complaining that it just went up a couple cents.)
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Old 09-30-2004, 02:32 PM   #3
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Our gas is cheaper because it contains corn fuel, and is taxed less because of lower emissions. I do not think that raising gas tax will reduce the amount of gasoline consumed. It is not a question of revenue, but one of environmental concern. How about worrying more about traffic flow? That would reduce the amount of gas wasted while idling in traffic jams, hence increasing fuel efficiency!
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Old 09-30-2004, 04:40 PM   #4
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You should post this over on MNSubaru.com, they might be interested to hear this.
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Old 09-30-2004, 04:50 PM   #5
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Most of the MN guys went over to MNSubaru.com. I'll post here anyways.

I get non-oxygenated (100% fuel) gasoline for the exact same price as standard 92 octane gasoline from the BP gas station I go to on 35W and county rd 10. I'm unsure about the quality of this fuel in the winter months though. There's a long list of non-oxygenated fuel in MN from the net made by the hot-rod guys here. Do a search on Google.
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Old 09-30-2004, 04:53 PM   #6
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good call kickin_81, im gonna need to find that list

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Old 09-30-2004, 05:32 PM   #7
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Old 09-30-2004, 06:24 PM   #8
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Our gas is cheaper because it contains corn fuel, and is taxed less because of lower emissions. I do not think that raising gas tax will reduce the amount of gasoline consumed. It is not a question of revenue, but one of environmental concern. How about worrying more about traffic flow? That would reduce the amount of gas wasted while idling in traffic jams, hence increasing fuel efficiency!
I'm sure you know that virtually all ethanol added to fuel is made from corn regardless where you buy it. Same in IL and WI as it is in MN, yet, IL and WI both have huge gas taxes while MN apparently does not. We're all using the same kind of gas with similar ethanol ratios... The amount can vary, but most places I've seen have the same 10% minimum label on the pumps. Emissions data that I've seen comparing fuel with and without ethanol has been fairly inconclusive. The real problems with emissions are older, improperly maintained vehicles more than the type of gas they're using. And, yes, traffic congestion as you mentioned doesn't help at all, either.

Personally, I think they're keeping ethanol around because it helps cut down on the amount of petroleum needed to make gasoline, so we don't need to buy as much from OPEC. Also, as sort of a bonus, the ethanol production is bringing money to the farmers that supply the corn, which I'm all for. Half of my family are/were small-time farmers, but it's very hard to scrape by these days unless you're running a fairly big operation. I think the improved emissions claims are being thrown out there to keep the hippies and other Ralph Nader supporters happy.
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Old 09-30-2004, 07:23 PM   #9
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Most of the MN guys went over to MNSubaru.com. I'll post here anyways.

I get non-oxygenated (100% fuel) gasoline for the exact same price as standard 92 octane gasoline from the BP gas station I go to on 35W and county rd 10. I'm unsure about the quality of this fuel in the winter months though. There's a long list of non-oxygenated fuel in MN from the net made by the hot-rod guys here. Do a search on Google.
Thanks kickin_81! I have been filling up at a local Shell station with their non-oxygenated "V-Power" 92. I didn't know what that meant until now. At least I assume it is Non-oxy because of the warning on the pump...
For use in small engines and collecter vehicles only.

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Old 09-30-2004, 08:27 PM   #10
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Most of the MN guys went over to MNSubaru.com. I'll post here anyways.

I get non-oxygenated (100% fuel) gasoline for the exact same price as standard 92 octane gasoline from the BP gas station I go to on 35W and county rd 10. I'm unsure about the quality of this fuel in the winter months though. There's a long list of non-oxygenated fuel in MN from the net made by the hot-rod guys here. Do a search on Google.
This at every BP or just that one, I know of a few place in and around Anoka that have Non-Oxygenated fuel.

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Old 09-30-2004, 10:53 PM   #11
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I consider my car a "collector vehicle" with a "small engine."

Bryan, not all BP/Amoco stations sell non-oxygenated gas. Only a selected few. What I would like more is Holiday's non-oxy 93 octane, but that's only if they have it in that octane. On the list, I only see one Holiday in the cities.
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Old 10-01-2004, 12:39 AM   #12
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Old 10-01-2004, 03:13 AM   #13
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e-85 is bad.....and if you don't think so fill her up and tow her in, it's 85% ethanol 15% fuel
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Old 10-01-2004, 01:03 PM   #14
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Exactly. Ethanol isn't a bad thing (tm). Ethanol by itself is roughly 102 octane. Hotrod is running ~30% ethanol in that thread, has been for over a year.

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Old 10-01-2004, 02:26 PM   #15
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Ethanol isn't a bad thing (tm).
it sure as hell is, E-85 has so much alcohol in it that it will corrode alumnium very quickly, Flex Fuel vehicles have specially coated pistons and combustion chambers to prevent the pitting that alochol causes hence why E-85 is made for use for Fleet Vehicles
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Old 10-01-2004, 03:33 PM   #16
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But we are talking about going up to 20% here, not straight E-85.

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Old 10-28-2004, 05:17 AM   #17
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I'm running nearly 100% E-85 right now. I need to put in a couple gallons of gasoline per tank to get good cold weather starting.

The car loves E-85, and so do I. Burns cool, produces about 5% more power, and after months of use ranging from 20% to 100% no signs of problems.

Ethanol only damages un-anodized aluminum that is constantly wetted by the fuel, IF the fuel is contaminated with water. Modern fuel systems being sealed make that very difficult. The WRX fuel lines are steel as is the tank, and the aluminum intake manifold has no problem at all with it as is not continuously wetted.

Corrosion was an issue with carburators where the fuel sat for extended periods in an un-anodized aluminum carburator.

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