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Old 10-05-2004, 12:06 AM   #1
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Have a Nice Day? Can't pump gas into it

Alright, I tried pumping gas into my 2.5rs today and about every 20cents the gas pump handle would click off. Takes me about twice as long to pump and happens at any station. Whats up with this?
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Old 10-05-2004, 12:17 AM   #2
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do you live in ny? i go to school in new york and have found that most pumps do that, and when i came back to CT on a break everything was fine. does it only click off if you have it pulled all of the way back? try squeezing it fully, then backing off a little bit.
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Old 10-05-2004, 12:50 AM   #3
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Yeah I hold it at "half throttle" and seems to be more effective, winters are gonna be a B1tch.

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Old 10-05-2004, 09:45 AM   #4
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You've got the snout burried too far in, pull it back 1/2 to a full inch and you won't have that problem some pumps are more sensative to this than others... just be careful.
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Old 10-05-2004, 12:46 PM   #5
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Interesting. My RS started doing this shortly after the incessant clanking coming from where the fill hose/neck goes through the wheel well. I have yet to determine the root cause of the clanking but there could be a connection between the two.
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Old 10-05-2004, 01:37 PM   #6
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This same thing happened with my 01 RS. At the time it was still covered by the bumper-to-bumber warrenty. I took it to Carleson and they literally took out the entire gas tank about 3 times. They finally discovered that there was a problem with the filter that removes gas vapor from the escaping air. If you look under the car you see a black box under the right rear fender.

If your still under warrenty, take it in and let them play with it. Just be aware that the service notes tell them to replace all sorts of stuff in the gas tank before they try the charcoal filter.

I tell you, that's a crappy problem because it makes you feel like an idiot "Uh, I can't put gas in my car"

Good luck
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Old 10-05-2004, 01:44 PM   #7
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It is the pump itself. The tank at the station is low.

At least that's what I have encountered.
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:53 AM   #8
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Bumping this up... does anybody know what this little black box behind the rear passenger fender is called, and how to replace it? I've got this same problem on my 1999 Impreza
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:28 AM   #9
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Quote:
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Alright, I tried pumping gas into my 2.5rs today and about every 20cents the gas pump handle would click off. Takes me about twice as long to pump and happens at any station. Whats up with this?
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It is the pump itself. The tank at the station is low.

At least that's what I have encountered.
BINGO!!

It is the pump man. Nothing to do with your car. Whenever this same thing happens to me I move to another pump and it works just fine. Watch, next time you fill up use another gas pump and you will not have that problem.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:44 AM   #10
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Heh, I got the car two weeks ago and I've gotten gas at three different gas stations already and they all have the same problem... I have to pump gas in at $0.50 per squeeze. Its not a big deal now, but with Chicago winters coming along it'll turn into a huge PITA soon.
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:07 PM   #11
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this happened to a friend after getting rear ended and having the rear quarter panel replaced. There is a breather associated with the filler tube that wasnt vented properly.
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:00 AM   #12
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We're going through the same thing right now. Took the car in because it was thrown a CEL for an evaporative emissions failure. Dealership fixed the problem with the evap system but broke the fuel filler vent line. The car would only accept gas 1-2 tenths of a gallon at a time. Sent the car back to the dealership, who insisted that the tank was really full and the gauge was lying about it being empty, so they dropped the tank (which necessitated removing the rear suspension, rear drivetrain, and rear subframe) and replaced the senders. The gave the car back to us without an alignment. As soon as we left the dealership (at close on a Friday night, so no way to get it seen right then), it was obvious they'd re-assembled the car incorrectly due to terrible the-car-is-dying noises. Due to suspicion because of that and talking to another Subaru mechanic about it, I investigated a few things on my own. They had crossthreaded and over-torqued 3 of the 4 bolts I checked. Like won't spin with fingers even right before it drops out, threads full of shrapnel kind of bad. I went nuclear and involved the service manager and the national customer service for the brand. Car went back in for 3 more days (taking the total to about a week and a half) and came back today. Everything sounds right and the car tracks straight, but we have to empty the tank some before we can see if it will finally accept gas.
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:45 AM   #13
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might be different, but i work at a toyota dealership and a tacoma came in with the same problem...turns out there is a little valve from the filler neck to the tank that can get stuck sometimes which can make it hard to fill with gas and also would create an evap check engine light. we had to drop the tank, disconnect the filler neck and jab the valve and then it moved freely again...
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Old 10-25-2007, 03:33 AM   #14
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Mine does the same thing, haven't figured it out yet. I completely took the filler pipe out and ran a bit of silicon hose through it to make sure no clogs and the valve opens right, so that's not the problem. It's been doing it for months and at least at 20 different gas stations, so it's definitely not the pump.
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:41 AM   #15
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This has happened with my car from day one, try turn the pump handle clockwise until the nozzle is almost upside down or at least on a horizontal angle.
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:40 AM   #16
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I guess I"ll try to play around with it a bit this weekend. I'll get under there and look if any of the hoses are pinched or loose, but I really hate to disconnect anything having to do with fuel unless I know what I'm doing.

Has anybody actually fixed this problem on a subaru?
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:00 AM   #17
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if it was an evap issue, you would have a check engine light
(in 99.999999% of the cases)

this has happened to me twice on my race car
(which is beat up underneath pretty good!)

cause was a clogged charcoal canister.....

I would just try a diff. pump first and make sure that it's not just a pump/nozzle issue.


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Old 10-25-2007, 02:43 PM   #18
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Rotate the nozzle of the pump 180 degrees. If the tank intake takes a sharp turn, this will cause gas to flow back to the pump nozzle, cover the vacuum sense tube and shut off the pump.
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:31 PM   #19
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Hooked up my obd scanner today and saw P1442 - fuel level sensor circuit range problem 2. The manual says to replace the fule level sensor and the fuel sub level sensor
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:42 PM   #20
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So we got the car back yesterday evening. All seemed good, no rattle, squeaks, new hardware visible in some places. Then we tried to fill up the tank tonight.

They didn't fix the friggin fuel filler!

So, to recap:
Trip 1: Fixed the evap CEL, broke the fuel filler
Trip 2: Didn't fix the fuel filler, messed up the rear end
Trip 3: Didn't fix the fuel filler, repaired the rear end
Trip 4: Stay tuned!
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Old 10-26-2007, 03:30 PM   #21
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Hmm... well, last night I went to put gas in and I held the pump nozzle horizontal instead of vertical and it seemed to pump in just fine. I'll be taking a look at the little tubes behind the evap canister this weekend to see if they look okay (no weird bends or pinches), but for now I"m happy that I've got a relatively easy fix to my problem.
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:26 AM   #22
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Just picked up my new to me 2000 2.5rs and I seem to have the same problem.
First gas station was a problem, figured it was the gas pumps issue. Go to another filling station with the same problem. Annoying to say the least.
I'll check the evap canister and go from there.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:13 PM   #23
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Ours is still into the dealer. That makes 20 days this month that it's been in for this issue
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:15 AM   #24
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Removed all the hoses from the evap canister, and ran a 8 inch plastic tie wrap up the hoses and didn't find any blockage.
Still have the same problem.
4 different pumps.
Its getting annoying.

If I buy some nylon tubing to stick in the filler neck, think I can clear up the issue? or is there some sort of screen/anti siphon thing.

The car sat a long time before I bought it. Wondering if it just got sticky. My last attempt at a fill up, it seemed to allow a bit more gas in per interval.
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:41 AM   #25
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I should add that the check engine light went on after my first fill up(when the pump kept shutting off).

Also what is the device attached to the rear of the canister(2000 2.5rs) that has an electrical plug. It has a rubber hose attached on two sides of it.
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