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Old 10-06-2004, 11:43 AM   #1
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Default Hey, OT Camera Geeks...need some schooling

After my SLR took crappy film pictures on a trip over the weekend (equipment failure unfortunately, it appears to have some sort of light leak or a problem with the arpeture) I have decided to finally look at some DSLR's. I guess I'm tired of dealing with film developing and since I have access to some fairly pimp printers, what the hell.

So here's what I am looking at, assuming some money mysteriously appears:

Nikon D-100
(I've used one, it's very nice.)

Canon EOS 10D or 20D
(I've played with the 10D....I like the way the Nikon works better but I don't know enough about either to pick one.)

Olympus E-1

Interesting Dark Horse candidate. But I haven't seen any of the OT Camera Snobs mention it so I don't know.

Any thoughts? I want specific info, so this isn't poll worthy.
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Old 10-06-2004, 11:46 AM   #2
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Why not the Digital Rebel?

And I wouldn't buy an Olympus. Canon or Nikon only for me.
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Old 10-06-2004, 11:58 AM   #3
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Why not the Digital Rebel?
I figure if I am going to spend the money, I might as well go big and get it over with.
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Old 10-06-2004, 11:58 AM   #4
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What kind of film SLR are/were you using?


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Old 10-06-2004, 12:00 PM   #5
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I figure if I am going to spend the money, I might as well go big and get it over with.
Well, I'd give some consideration to how much the advantages of the 10D are worth. To me, they're not worth the $500 difference...
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:03 PM   #6
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semabe,

One of the major differnces btw the Canon and Nikon digital line right now are the lenses. Canon is producing quality lenses for way less than Nikon is so cost of ownership of an SLR system is less with Canon. IMO Canon is producing better digital Cameras than Nikon at this point.

As for the 20D/10D problem, the 20D is the cutting edge and you will pay a premium to be that far ahead. IMO unless you are really advance or a pro, you may not need those features today. I myself picked up a used MINT Canon D60 for $400 and I am learning with that. It is leaps and bounds differnt than a regular SLR and my Canon G2. My advice to use is to search ebay for D30 or D60 and you will pick up a great learning camera without breaking the bank. You can take the money saved and buy some L glass and that will be reusable when you upgrade.
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:06 PM   #7
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Invest in the lens system, not the SLR. If you've already got Canon EF-mount lenses, go with the Canon. If you've got FD-mounts, screw it, they're not compatible.

If you've got Nikon lenses, go with the Nikon... the older ones are compatible.

As for the Oly... it takes great pictures, but you are severely limited in choice when it comes to glass.


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Old 10-06-2004, 12:09 PM   #8
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What kind of film SLR are/were you using?


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2, actually......

Old AGFA
Minolta Vectis S-100 (lightest weight SLR ever.)

We also used our Canon ELPH but it's pretty much useless.

Both of them suck. I have an OLD Minolta Maxxum and a Canon AE-1 and access to a couple of Hasselblads and a Contax but they are all really heavy and a pain in the ass to use when hiking.
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:14 PM   #9
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If heavy is a problem for your weak ass, you'd best not look at something like the 10D/20D... it's prolly gonna weigh as much as your AE-1.

There's nothing wrong with a Digital Rebel, and with the Wasia hacked firmware you've pretty much got a 10D. What kind of shooting do you do, predominantly?


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Old 10-06-2004, 12:21 PM   #10
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Personally I would say go for the 20D but wait some time. Right now there are few errors with the firmware. I have been surfing the photography forums and still with the new firmware some cameras are still acting up. If you have the patience to wait possibly a month for a good clean fresh batch i would say you would be fine.

I am not sure if you would be interested but it also comes with the 18-55mm lens that i think is the same lens for the drebel for 1600 or so not sure on prices.

But camera choice also depends on what type of photography you want to do, or that you currently are doing. The 20D does have obvious advantages of over the 10D but do you really need them or can you afford to want them?

I will be looking to buy a 20D in the mext month or two so I can have a backup next race seasons, i am getting into motorsport photography and right now I use 1dM2 and 300d which i will be getting rid of.

I cant say much about the D70, i would love to try one out though.

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Old 10-06-2004, 12:22 PM   #11
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If heavy is a problem for your weak ass, you'd best not look at something like the 10D/20D... it's prolly gonna weigh as much as your AE-1.

There's nothing wrong with a Digital Rebel, and with the Wasia hacked firmware you've pretty much got a 10D. What kind of shooting do you do, predominantly?


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10D and nikon didn't seem as heavy as the AE-1 with a lens...but I'd have to re-check.

I do mostly outdoor nature shots, "point of interest" shots, some skiing action shots. We've got a zillion of them lying around the house and some are used as decor. I'm starting to get a lot more into photography lately so I want to get some serious equipment and I am going to take a refresher class.
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:26 PM   #12
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What's "decent"?


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Old 10-06-2004, 12:29 PM   #13
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if you would like to buy a used canon 10d with an extended warranty, grip, 2 batts, a flash cars and a starter lens for a "decent" price PM me

Thanks for the offer....I want to buy new but let me think on it a bit.

Someone else offered me a 1Ds MKI "cheap" ($3500 w/nothing.).....but that's way beyond me.
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10D and nikon didn't seem as heavy as the AE-1 with a lens...but I'd have to re-check.

I do mostly outdoor nature shots, "point of interest" shots, some skiing action shots. We've got a zillion of them lying around the house and some are used as decor. I'm starting to get a lot more into photography lately so I want to get some serious equipment and I am going to take a refresher class.
The only issue might be speed when you're taking your skiing photos. There's no doubt that the 20D will be king in this regard. As jslegacy pointed out, there's some screwy firmware out right now, so sit tight for another month or so if you can until that gets sorted out.


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Old 10-06-2004, 12:34 PM   #15
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Do some searching; my friend just ordered a Digital Rebel for <$600 (new) for the kit version (i.e. with lens) a couple of days ago.
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:36 PM   #16
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Do some searching; my friend just ordered a Digital Rebel for <$600 (new) for the kit version (i.e. with lens) a couple of days ago.
Is it because the new 300 model came out?

Where the hell did he find that?
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:38 PM   #17
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DAMN thats a good price... was it that mattjk bastard

yeah, i think the extended service plan is good security. if anything goes wrong with the camera it gets fixed.. but yeah let me know man

PS post above yours has been updated
No, a friend who has decided to sack up and is getting a MKII. For eleventy billion dollars.
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DAMN.... FOR WHAT... the only thing that camera is good for is Billboard studio shots.. THATS IT
You want one too, huh?


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DAMN.... FOR WHAT... the only thing that camera is good for is Billboard studio shots.. THATS IT

"Mine's Bigger" factor if I were to hazard a guess.
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Get a used D30.
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Get a used D30.
Why, specifically Matt? Is it even remotely comparable to the D100? I wouldn't have the first clue.
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bacause matt loves to show how he is still a mastah with even an old camera, and because he will say that the camera fires pictures out almost perfect straight out of the camera,
Ah, I see.
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Sean, I don't mean this as a put down or anything, but I'm sure I could run circles around you when it comes to cameras and photography. THAT being said, the D30 does everything I want. 10D is going to be overkill, 20D even more so.

Find a nice, clean D30, and save the other $1000 for where is really counts, good lenses.

Is the D30 comparable to the D100? the D100 may have a SLIGHT advantage in large print, but resized for actual viewing... the D30 may come out ahead with better colors.
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Ah, I see.
yeah, what dizzle said.
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Sean, I don't mean this as a put down or anything, but I'm sure I could run circles around you when it comes to cameras and photography. THAT being said, the D30 does everything I want. 10D is going to be overkill, 20D even more so.

Find a nice, clean D30, and save the other $1000 for where is really counts, good lenses.

It the D30 comparable to the D100? the D100 may have a SLIGHT advantage in large print, but resized for actual viewing... the D30 may come out ahead with better colors.
I know you are the photomotography master (whereas I own the wang size title...we all have to be good at something) so I was hoping you'd chime in. If I were to look for a D30 used, is it reliable enough to not worry about breakage? Also, I would assume it will take the new Digital Lenses Canon has come out with, yes?

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