Graham Goode vs. STI short shifters

dvancleve · 06-21-2001, 03:18 PM

I am looking for a short shifter that is about that same height as the stock RS shifter. It looks to me like the lever that comes with the STI complete shifter/linkage kit is. I thought the Graham Goode shifter was the same as the STI and it looks very similar, but when they are laid next to an RS shifter the STI looks to be the same overall length and the GG looks like it might be shorter. I have an RS lever in my Outback right now, and I don't really want the shift knob to get any lower than it is now (which rules out most of the short shifters). I have a line on a GG at a good price, but I would like to confirm that it is about as tall as an RS shifter

Thanks, Doug

Edit: spelling

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JGard · 06-21-2001, 03:41 PM

get the Cobb or STi replica from larry.

they are not with the linkage, therefore, not too expensive, and the stick is actually as long as, if not slightly longer than, the RS shifter.

but don't worry, the throws are significantly shorter...

Rubasu · 06-22-2001, 02:19 AM

save some money get the Kartboy and the bushings. They rule. i have had them in for over a year now and still love the throw...

Rubasu

elemental · 06-22-2001, 02:35 AM

it was compared a little while ago and the stock RS and the STi were identical except for the stick... linkage was the same if i recall correctly, might as well save the money, thats what im gonna do, sti replica or kartboy and bushings, not sure yet

dvancleve · 06-22-2001, 10:02 AM

Thanks guys. I am sure Kartboy's shifters are great, but like I said I don't want one significantly shorter than the stock RS (it would put my hand too far below my elbow when I use the armrest :^). I just want the throw reduction. I am not considering the shifter with linkage, but just the shifter (probably from somebody who switched to Kartboy).

Doug

skidplatez · 06-22-2001, 10:10 AM

The Kartboy isn't lower. It's the throws that are shorter. This is accomplished my moving the linkage up the shift lever.

see:

photo credit to Scoobymods.com

JGard · 06-22-2001, 10:35 AM

yes, the Kartboy is DEFENITELY lower.

I've driven cars with both. It's very noticeable when driving it...

AS for the RS and STi being the same... ONLY the linkage is the same. The shifter is different, therefore giving shorter throws. That is the reason why I suggest the STi replica or the Cobb, because it's just the stick, not the linkage.

dvancleve · 06-22-2001, 10:42 AM

skidplatz,

Thanks, but the picture you posted shows is being about 1/2" shorter :^) I really wanted to keep the shift knob about where it is now...

Doug

skidplatez · 06-22-2001, 11:41 AM

If you look at the picture again you will see that it looks lower because they are centered on the linkage not the ball which is the bottom of the shifter. From the ball to the top it is only a very small amount shorter if any.

dvancleve · 06-22-2001, 01:32 PM

skidplatz,

For some reason I was thinking that the linkage pivot point was what determined the height (even though I have changed one of these out before). You are, of course, correct in that that ball is the fixed point.

Doug

JGard · 06-22-2001, 02:01 PM

*decides to chime back in*

Again, when actually installed, and you use a Kartboy, you will feel that it IS a bit shorter than the stock shifter arm.

The ball is the fixed point, yes, but it doesn't matter.

Your best bet, go to a meet, and you will find one of each installed in people's cars. You can then decide for yourself.

jlyttle · 06-22-2001, 02:03 PM

Get a cheap shifter like the Kartboy or (in my case) the STI replica from Cobb or imprezars.com

If you then find the shifter to be too short, get a different shift knob to fix that. Much cheaper than spending $250-350 on a setup that you don't need.

Firewire · 06-25-2001, 02:45 AM

Looking for a short throw shifter huh? Well, why don't you guys check out this site:

www.rev-labs.com

The shortshifter they have is very nice. I have this one and the shifts are short and crisp. I really love driving with it. Check it out!

dvancleve · 06-29-2001, 07:57 PM

Well I got a Graham Goode shifter for a good price and swapped out the RS shifter I had in my Legacy Outback. The GG is actually a little bit taller than the RS which is great for me; I definitely didn't want anything shorter. Wow! The shifting is now very short, notchy and positive. I think I picked up a little bit of a humming/buzzing through the shifter with the swap. I also have the Cusco bushings. It isn't very noticeable so I don't mind. I am happy

Doug

tom@kartboy · 06-29-2001, 09:53 PM

i actually had a shifter long enough to take a picture of it. All 4130 ChroMo, CNC turned.
i put one in my car and i like it even better than the older ones. they weigh a touch more than the OG ones. i think the extra weight makes it shift even better. silky smooth and ooo so short

tom@kartboy.com
www.kartboy.com

06-21-2001, 03:18 PM	#1
dvancleve Scooby Newbie Member#: 5211 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Chandler, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Legacy Outback Spruce Pearl green	Graham Goode vs. STI short shifters I am looking for a short shifter that is about that same height as the stock RS shifter. It looks to me like the lever that comes with the STI complete shifter/linkage kit is. I thought the Graham Goode shifter was the same as the STI and it looks very similar, but when they are laid next to an RS shifter the STI looks to be the same overall length and the GG looks like it might be shorter. I have an RS lever in my Outback right now, and I don't really want the shift knob to get any lower than it is now (which rules out most of the short shifters). I have a line on a GG at a good price, but I would like to confirm that it is about as tall as an RS shifter Thanks, Doug Edit: spelling * Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by dvancleve; 06-21-2001 at 07:11 PM.

06-22-2001, 10:10 AM	#6
skidplatez Scooby Specialist Member#: 1575 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Atlanta GA, USA Vehicle: 2011 WRX Premium Blackest Black	You're not listening The Kartboy isn't lower. It's the throws that are shorter. This is accomplished my moving the linkage up the shift lever. see: photo credit to Scoobymods.com Last edited by skidplatez; 06-22-2001 at 10:14 AM.

06-22-2001, 10:42 AM	#8
dvancleve Scooby Newbie Member#: 5211 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Chandler, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Legacy Outback Spruce Pearl green	? skidplatz, Thanks, but the picture you posted shows is being about 1/2" shorter :^) I really wanted to keep the shift knob about where it is now... Doug

06-22-2001, 01:32 PM	#10
dvancleve Scooby Newbie Member#: 5211 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Chandler, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Legacy Outback Spruce Pearl green	You're right! skidplatz, For some reason I was thinking that the linkage pivot point was what determined the height (even though I have changed one of these out before). You are, of course, correct in that that ball is the fixed point. Doug

06-29-2001, 07:57 PM	#14
dvancleve Scooby Newbie Member#: 5211 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Chandler, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Legacy Outback Spruce Pearl green	Wrap up Well I got a Graham Goode shifter for a good price and swapped out the RS shifter I had in my Legacy Outback. The GG is actually a little bit taller than the RS which is great for me; I definitely didn't want anything shorter. Wow! The shifting is now very short, notchy and positive. I think I picked up a little bit of a humming/buzzing through the shifter with the swap. I also have the Cusco bushings. It isn't very noticeable so I don't mind. I am happy Doug

06-21-2001, 03:41 PM	#2
JGard pooptastic Member#: 1904 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Foster City, CA Vehicle: 2013 Tundra '02 BMW R1100S	get the Cobb or STi replica from larry. they are not with the linkage, therefore, not too expensive, and the stick is actually as long as, if not slightly longer than, the RS shifter. but don't worry, the throws are significantly shorter...

06-22-2001, 02:19 AM	#3
Rubasu Scooby Specialist Member#: 1418 Join Date: May 2000 Location: Swedesbor, NJ, U.S. Vehicle: MY00 2.5RS Aspen White	save some money get the Kartboy and the bushings. They rule. i have had them in for over a year now and still love the throw... Rubasu

06-22-2001, 02:35 AM	#4
elemental Scooby Specialist Member#: 2701 Join Date: Oct 2000 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: occa Vehicle: '00 obs	it was compared a little while ago and the stock RS and the STi were identical except for the stick... linkage was the same if i recall correctly, might as well save the money, thats what im gonna do, sti replica or kartboy and bushings, not sure yet

06-22-2001, 10:02 AM	#5
dvancleve Scooby Newbie Member#: 5211 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Chandler, AZ Vehicle: 1997 Legacy Outback Spruce Pearl green	Thanks guys. I am sure Kartboy's shifters are great, but like I said I don't want one significantly shorter than the stock RS (it would put my hand too far below my elbow when I use the armrest :^). I just want the throw reduction. I am not considering the shifter with linkage, but just the shifter (probably from somebody who switched to Kartboy). Doug

06-22-2001, 10:35 AM	#7
JGard pooptastic Member#: 1904 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Foster City, CA Vehicle: 2013 Tundra '02 BMW R1100S	yes, the Kartboy is DEFENITELY lower. I've driven cars with both. It's very noticeable when driving it... AS for the RS and STi being the same... ONLY the linkage is the same. The shifter is different, therefore giving shorter throws. That is the reason why I suggest the STi replica or the Cobb, because it's just the stick, not the linkage.

06-22-2001, 11:41 AM	#9
skidplatez Scooby Specialist Member#: 1575 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Atlanta GA, USA Vehicle: 2011 WRX Premium Blackest Black	If you look at the picture again you will see that it looks lower because they are centered on the linkage not the ball which is the bottom of the shifter. From the ball to the top it is only a very small amount shorter if any.

06-22-2001, 02:01 PM	#11
JGard pooptastic Member#: 1904 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Foster City, CA Vehicle: 2013 Tundra '02 BMW R1100S	decides to chime back in Again, when actually installed, and you use a Kartboy, you will feel that it IS a bit shorter than the stock shifter arm. The ball is the fixed point, yes, but it doesn't matter. Your best bet, go to a meet, and you will find one of each installed in people's cars. You can then decide for yourself.

06-22-2001, 02:03 PM	#12
jlyttle Scooby Specialist Member#: 2815 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Hanover, MA, USA Vehicle: 2004 Forester XT 5sp Silver	Get a cheap shifter like the Kartboy or (in my case) the STI replica from Cobb or imprezars.com If you then find the shifter to be too short, get a different shift knob to fix that. Much cheaper than spending $250-350 on a setup that you don't need.

06-25-2001, 02:45 AM	#13
Firewire Scooby Specialist Member#: 3430 Join Date: Jan 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Port Moody, BC, Canada Vehicle: 2007 2.5i Wagon Garnet Red	Looking for a short throw shifter huh? Well, why don't you guys check out this site: www.rev-labs.com The shortshifter they have is very nice. I have this one and the shifts are short and crisp. I really love driving with it. Check it out!

06-29-2001, 09:53 PM	#15
tom@kartboy NASIOC Vendor Member#: 67 Join Date: Jul 1999 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, CA Vehicle: 1999 Outlasting the competition.	i actually had a shifter long enough to take a picture of it. All 4130 ChroMo, CNC turned. i put one in my car and i like it even better than the older ones. they weigh a touch more than the OG ones. i think the extra weight makes it shift even better. silky smooth and ooo so short tom@kartboy.com www.kartboy.com

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