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Old 10-12-2004, 11:18 PM   #1
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winter is coming, and I plan on doing a lot of driving in snow/fog. last season I purchased a pair of replacement "ultra-white" halogen 9006 bulbs, and they are slightly brighter than stock, but not as bright as I'd like. I realize now that I'll have to replace the entire lamp to really "see" a difference. I've been researching different brands and types and I'm not sure what to invest in.
I was wondering if anyone here has done this upgrade on their Outback, and if so, which one really worked well? Also, i'd like to keep the stock appearance, so I'm looking for lights that will fit into the stock fog light well.
I appreciate the help
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Old 10-13-2004, 10:49 AM   #2
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FWIW, you'll see more of an improvement with yellow fogs than white ones.
especially in snow.
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Old 10-13-2004, 03:07 PM   #3
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thanks! thats what i've been hearing...it's too bad that i can't stand amber lights! there's gotta be some regular white lights that will work way better than what i have w/o having to go amber.....
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Old 10-13-2004, 03:29 PM   #4
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do you want a fog light or a driving light?

I'd agree that for a fog yellow is better, but not if you want a driving light.

I'd be interested in seeing some Outbacks with upgraded/additional lights. Anyone have any pics?
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:27 PM   #5
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i spent an hour or so reading up on david stern's website last night. now i'm really glad i didn't get the silverstars. and the blue bulbs he was ragging on that say "cool blue"....thats what it said on the replacement fog bulbs that i bought a while back....oops.
what i really want is a pair of lights at least as bright as my headlights, but only lower to the ground aimed right along the road that I can turn on and off independently of the low or high beams.....is that too much to ask for?
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:44 PM   #6
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nope, not too much to ask for. it sounds like you definitely want fog lights, and you also want to do the mod that allows you to run them independently from your headlights. do a search on scoobymods.com for the fog light mod.

I think you would be happy with a set of Hella 500s in your stock location, aimed down and out for a fog-type pattern. I know my FF1000s with an upgraded wiring harness can handle a 130W bulb, maybe you could check with the guys at rallylights to see if an upgraded harness would allow you to run a 100W bulb in the 500 series. If you could I'm sure you would be more than satisfied. It's just a matter of whether you can mount those guys to your stock location or if you'll have to fabricate some brackets.
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Old 10-20-2004, 06:30 AM   #7
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Lightbulb fog lamps

I do alot of mountain driving in fog. Amber is the only color that works . A true fog lamp will disperse the light at 95 degrees width in front of the car as most driving lamps are only 15 degrees. With a 95 degree width you can see objects on the sides such as lines in the road , deer,elk,moose, snow banks, guard rails....etc.

My personal preference is toward PIAA 1400 series ion cystal or the 520's for real lighting! good luck ...
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Old 10-23-2004, 04:31 AM   #8
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Just some further info on hi-wattage lights: My son just bought a 03 Protege and the previous owner put in 100 watt HID look bulbs (H7). The excess heat has discolored the small reflector/cap that you can see from the front of the car--the one that covers the bulb. That is not repairable without changing the whole lamp. That is pricey I am sure.

Extra wattage needs bigger harness. You can't fix the extra heat generated, though.

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Old 10-23-2004, 04:41 AM   #9
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FWIW, you'll see more of an improvement with yellow fogs than white ones.
especially in snow.
I really agree with this. Remember, snow is very reflective, and the amber/yellow really provides a nice contrast, especially in the snow. Also, too bright a light makes oncoming drivers, flash their lights at you. With amber, this happens less because the color is obviously a fog light. If you decide to get exotic with your change to more powerful fog lights you will need a larger reflector (won't fit in the original location), or perhaps a projector type lamp. I bought a set of cool projector lamps for a Lexus. I put them on a different car that has recently died. They have a yellow reflector and a clear bulb. Very powerful with a very sharp horizontal cut off and wide beam. If you need more info on these let me know. I can give you measurements.

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Old 10-23-2004, 05:25 PM   #10
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do you want a fog light or a driving light?

I'd agree that for a fog yellow is better, but not if you want a driving light.

I'd be interested in seeing some Outbacks with upgraded/additional lights. Anyone have any pics?

Hella 500 amber fogs and Hella FF75 drivings on the white OB.
Hella 500 drivings and Hella FF75 fogs on the green OB.

500's work much better as fogs than they do as drivings. FF75 drivings rock. FF75 fogs are pretty good too.

The great part about FF75's is that if you take out two clips that hold the bumper cover on, the FF75's can bolt right in there. No holes to drill.
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Old 10-24-2004, 12:09 AM   #11
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This pic has been on here before, but in the fog location are piaa 520 ions, they've definately proved their worth. Nice wide pattern and not reflective in rain or snow like the white fogs. Behind the grill are piaa 510's, not as happy with them so I'm planning on making another grill to accomodate either the piaa 520 driving lights or hella 500 driving lights(depinding on how high wattage bulb they can take). Although seeing RidinLow's ff75 I may try that as well.
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Old 10-24-2004, 12:26 AM   #12
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The FF75 driving lights will blow away the 500 driving lights. I have both.

So you just cut away all the slats in the grille to fit those lights? That looks pretty neat.
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Old 10-24-2004, 01:05 AM   #13
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Ridinlow, really, that's good to know, what watt bulb do the ff75's use? the 510's behind the grill use 55 watt, and, well I can't tell much of a difference with them on or off. For the most part, yeah I just cut away the slats. I filled the holes it made with this fiberglass putty called fibertech. I also filled that ridge that goes around the whole grill with it to make it smooth. It's hard to see too but there's a powdercoated black stainless steel mesh behind the grill to protect everything. I'll see if I have a pic pre-paint.

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Old 10-24-2004, 10:28 AM   #14
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Nice! It looks pretty cool even without the lights behind there.

The FF75's use a 55W H7 bulb. There's a huge difference as soon as they light up.
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Old 10-26-2004, 01:14 AM   #15
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Old 10-26-2004, 12:04 PM   #16
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I've had both the Hella 500 Fog pattern and Driving pattern on my Forester. The Fog pattern is *really* wide and a significant upgrade over the stockers. Mine were on a light bar that I spent $15 on parts and two hours to build It connects to the license plate frame and into the bumper beam. I swapped 'em for the driving pattern because I do a lot of driving on deserted country roads (interior Maine) where I don't have to worry about oncoming traffic (they come on and go out with my highs), but might add a pair of the fogs again to work with the low beams. FWIW, the driving lights make my headlights seem like sidemarker lamps. They'll light up interstate mile marker signs 1.5 miles away.

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Old 10-27-2004, 02:22 PM   #17
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thanks for all the info guys! the weather out here in california has taken a sudden change to winter....I already went to mammoth last weekend wishing i had a better fog light set-up. I'll have to hurry up and get something soon....
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Old 11-14-2004, 12:08 AM   #18
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Is it possible to put hella ff75 in stock location? My headlight is really dim right now and oem ones costs close to $250 to get both the driver and passeger side.
Thanks in advance
Dan

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