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Old 06-22-2001, 03:14 AM   #1
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Angry My Car is Overheating!!! please help

OK, I don't understand what is hapening. I have a 98 2.5RS and I'm loosing radiator fluid somewhere in the system but it's not coming out anywhere. I'm also overflowing massive amounts into the resivoir. If anyone has had this problem before and can help any info would be nice. Thanks
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Old 06-22-2001, 03:28 AM   #2
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smokey- where were earler this week, big discussion a few days ago. It hasn't happened to me yet but it sounds like you've got the 98 DOHC headgasket blues. Take it in even if you got over 60k miles, your area rep MIGHT warranty it for you,(or offer to split the cost if over 60k miles). SOA is aware or the problem.
Many members have had the same problem, the repairs will include an updated headgasket.

If you got the time do a quick search re 98 headgaskets, print em, and show to your service writer, and area rep if they act stupid.

Something about a hydra carbon test of your coolant will confirm the problem.

Btw, what is you mileage?

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Old 06-22-2001, 02:24 PM   #3
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Default wow 4 active topics involving headgaskets!!!

that's amazing. I had this happen on a cross country drive last week, then I look on here and find it happening to a few of us all within a week of each other. The first I was aware of was my own post "HELP! dead waterpump on the road. " in the NA Powertrain forum. Then there's the "overheating HELP" by sen in the general forum. Your's, and I'm sure I've seen another one around that I just can't think of right now. CRAZY!!!
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Old 06-22-2001, 03:09 PM   #4
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is it possible that i've blown my gaskets as well? 2 months ago my 98 would overheat momentarily then go back down. Sometimes it would stay overheated for a long time so i would shut down the engine and wait 20 minutes. I brought it into service and they topped up the coolant and said it would be fine. However, last week i overheated twice, but i was pushing the car quite hard those 2 days. I popped the hood and it looks like i'm pretty much drained of coolant as well, but i haven't been overheating lately.
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Old 06-22-2001, 03:18 PM   #5
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popnGEAR,

Keep checking your coolant level. If you keep loosing coolant that seemingly disappears, then yes, you probably have a blown headgasket. The coolant is seeping into the combustion chamber and going out your tailpipe. If it's bad, you may even notice a white-smokey (water vapor) appearance out the tailpipe.

If the leekage is minimal, it's not going to screw up anything - in fact, the water will clean your piston(s). I saw this first hand on my old '85 toyota pickup. I replaced the head gasket myself and the piston that the water was leaking into was clean as could be whereas the others had a thick layer of carbon crap on them.

Get it taken care of, though as there is a possibility for hydro-lock which will throw your rods through the crankcase or bend valves.

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Old 06-22-2001, 04:17 PM   #6
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That was me earler this week with the 98 that has 61 K on it. the gasket it gon near the 4th cylinder.
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Old 06-22-2001, 11:27 PM   #7
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i can't even see coolant container. service told me to take off the rad cap and check it that way, but i forgot when i was supposed to do it. is it 30 mins after the engine has been shut off? when i check in the morning there's nothing there
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Old 06-23-2001, 01:35 AM   #8
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nothing there as in you take off your radiator cap and can't see the coolant in the top of the radiator? that's not good... you should definatly fill your radiator again.

take off your radiator cap, and the vent plug (when cold) and fill the radiator to the top. I'm sure you know where the cap is, the vent plug is on the top passenger side of the radiator. Then put both back on, run your engine for a minute, and then repeat the process to make sure you've gotten any air bubbles out of the system.

you should also have at least some coolant in the resivour.

if on the otherhand you're talking about taking the cap off of the resivour disregard everything I just said.
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Old 06-23-2001, 02:53 AM   #9
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thanks a lot guy this has really helped. My car has 57,000 mi on it so I'm stocked this happened when it did. I'll post again after I take it in to the dealer. Thanks again
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Old 06-23-2001, 03:00 AM   #10
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That why we're here.
You taking her to Bob Baker in Carlsbad?
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Old 06-23-2001, 08:50 AM   #11
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These problems all sound very simialr to the comon head gasket one. When the gasket goes, the engine blows the coolant out of the radiator all over the place, because the pressue inside the engine is forcing it out through the gasket leak (someting like that). Some cars only do this when run hard. I know two people in NE that could drive there car "normal" and not have a problem, but any hard driving caused the car to boil over. One car is a '97 Legacy with 5?K miles, it was fixed under warranty. The other is a 97 or 98 2.2L OBS with a turbo, and he has over 60K. He is still driving it.

I would have the cars taken to the dealer and have a compression check done on all the cylinders.

You can do a search under Patrick Olsen in the NESIC forum to hear about his description of the problem.

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Old 06-23-2001, 10:40 AM   #12
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Yup, you guys have all joined the Phase I DOHC Blown Headgasket Club. Congratulations!!! My symptoms were pretty much exactly what you guys are seeing - the car overheated one day, completely out of the blue, while I was pushing it hard. Limped the car home, found the overflow bottle was completely full and there was coolant all over the hood liner and the driver's side of the engine compartment. The next night, I replaced the thermostat and radiator cap, hoping it would be a simple fix.

The car was fine for the next couple days as I drove it "normally". On the third day, I went and pushed the car hard again, and it blew the coolant all over the place again. At that point I figured it was the gaskets, and I took it to the dealer that Monday. Of course, the biggest bummer was that this occured during a big snowstorm, and I couldn't go out and play!

Anyway, take the car to the dealer and tell them to do a compression test and a leakdown test. Those will check to see how well the combustion chambers are sealed and how tight the coolant system is, respectively. On my car both headgaskets were blown, not sure on which cylinders.

popnGEAR - How many miles do you have on the car? How many did you have on it 2 months ago when the dealer topped off the coolant? If you're beyond 60k miles, tell them they should have properly diagnosed it 2 months ago instead of letting you put another xx thousand miles on the car with bad headgaskets.

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Old 06-23-2001, 11:24 PM   #13
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that is EXACTLY what i did.. I looked for the cheep easy fix with the cap and the3rmostat and then drove it saoft for a few days and I thought I had fixed it... But NOOOO the second I started to drive it hard again up goes the temp gauge. I took it in today to Bob Baker in Carlsbad. They where super cool about it and they said they would have the answer by monday. Thanks for all the help
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