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Old 10-13-2004, 10:35 PM   #1
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Well i think my sparkplugs might be dead from my minor flood incident since the car wont start.

When i search around for tutorials on how to change them all i find are wrx guides which doesnt help since their coils are different then ours. Can anyone help me out on how to change these? i dont want any high performance ones just something to get the dumb car started.

oh yea since i doubt i have any of the tools what would i need to have/buy




ps- just for anyone who knows whats a good floor jack to buy? i rushed and bought one for my car but it only raises 14" and well i kinda found out thats not really high enough
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Old 10-13-2004, 11:23 PM   #2
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ohhh can someone whoes real smart tell me what this sound is?


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Old 10-13-2004, 11:45 PM   #3
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Just wondering, but are you serious?
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Old 10-13-2004, 11:49 PM   #4
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unfortunately yes

if your gonna bash me go somewhere else into the n00bie section

im asking for help thats what the forum is for, im not asking what intake to buy what headers give the most power, just want to change my sparkplugs cause maybe just maybe i can get my car to run again
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:03 AM   #5
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Relax, I was asking because I really wasn't sure. If I was going to make fun of you I would've done so already.

In your vid clip, it sounds like there's no spark getting to the cylinders.

For changing the plugs you can get the the passenger side ones pretty easily, for drive side you'll have to remove the washer fluid bottle. You can use a 3/8" rachet with a 4" extension and a spark plug socket. If you've got a rachet set look in it, you'll probably have everything you need.

You might not need to change them, but just give everything a chance to dry out.

I'm not too sure about the floor jack, I use either jack stands or ramps depending on what I'm doing.

What was the "flood incident"? It might help people to assist you if you gave specifics as to what happened.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:14 AM   #6
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Curious, what makes you think it is the plugs? What happened to your car? Are you getting a spark? Do you smell fuel? I'm not a mechanic, just trying to help troubleshoot.

If you are just changing plugs, I think you need:
-a plug socket (5/8??) it has a rubber insert inside
-an socket extention (one that can be used at an angle will help) I got a extention kit with 3 different lengths.
-and a coresponding rachet. 3/8...

Things that are helpful...
- empty the washer fluid reservior
- anti-seize compond
- dielectric grease
- gapper
- extra set of plug wires
- be careful pulling the plug wires. The end of the rubber boot ripped off of mine inside the spark plug well and I could not extract the plug nor replace the wire, but that is another story.

Changing is a matter of removing the plug wires, removing the plugs then reverse order to install. The passenger side is much easier to get to.

One other thing you can try... pull a plug wire off from the top of the engine and hold it close to the contact. Have someone try to start the car. If you see a spark then you know it is getting a spark to that point.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:20 AM   #7
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see thats what i was asking what i need cause people tell me of this plug socket but i dont know of sizes of if its universal and junk

when i crank the motor i smell fuel but doesnt turn over

the car has been sitting like that for at least two weeks and each time i go back same situation

my car was in the back of my school parking lot, and i guess it was a big rain thing, seriously it wasnt even pouring i dont know why this garbage flooded. I was in class security comes in tells me to get my keys my car is about to float away, i get to it the car is a partly under water. Like part way up the door little under that crease in the door (03 impreza). I dumbly attempted to start it cause i was in a panic and wasnt thinking, obviously didnt start, 30 mins later after secuirty would not help me i found people to help me push it out.

I attempt to start it again, it cranks but would not start figured it was flooded, left it for another day. Came back and now the engine sounds like it does.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:24 AM   #8
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Could be bad. Does the motor spin freely w/out using the starter? Hydrolock's a bitch.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:30 AM   #9
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^^does it spin freely without using the starter?

the water never got up to the sparkplugs on the motor

if anything that attempt to start it in the water is what screwed me
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:35 AM   #10
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It doesn't sound like the water got high enough to get in the intake, but you never know.

I'd start by pulling the plug wires and spraying them with something to displace the moisture (wd-40) let them dry and reinstall them, making sure they go on in the correct order.

So far we know he starter is good.

Maybe pull the intake and look to see if any water got inside.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:38 AM   #11
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Yeah. When the motor's sucking water, thats bad.

I was asking you if you could turn the motor over without cranking the starter.

Starting a motor w/ water in it isn't necessarily death... its worse when the motor is running and you drive into water.

How long has it been drying out.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:50 AM   #12
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nah no water in the intake

about 2 weeks prob more i just dont wanna look up the date

well if i dont use the starter to turn over the motor how would i do it?
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:15 AM   #13
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how long would it take me to get to your school? i got a jack for suv's it can raise the car 21". I can assist you w/ some stuff this w/e depending how long it would take me to get there, and if there are hot girl i would get to meet
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:33 AM   #14
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Cranking in water could result in water be "sucked" up through the exhaust. That's why offroaders never slow down WHILE fording a stream. Pull the plugs and check for water in the cyclinders, also check your fuses - you might get lucky there.
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:44 AM   #15
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how long would it take me to get to your school? i got a jack for suv's it can raise the car 21". I can assist you w/ some stuff this w/e depending how long it would take me to get there, and if there are hot girl i would get to meet
from me its a hour and a half if you do the speed limit with moderate traffic, depending on the day you came always partys at night
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:12 PM   #16
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well if i dont use the starter to turn over the motor how would i do it?
Crank pulley?
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:19 PM   #17
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^^what in the heck are you saying hah i hope im not the only one with this
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Old 10-14-2004, 04:43 PM   #18
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I mean turn the engine over by turning the crank pulley. Make sure you still have compression.
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:37 PM   #19
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so scooby blue when you say:

"Things that are helpful...
- empty the washer fluid reservior
- anti-seize compond
- dielectric grease
- gapper
- extra set of plug wires
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what do i use the anti seize stuff and the grease for?

and the plug wires includes the whole coil pack on top of the motor correct?
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Old 10-15-2004, 12:45 AM   #20
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I didn't read any of the other posts (ignore this message if you already have good instructions), but here is a link to some instructions courtesy Scoobymods:

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/sho...7&page=1&pp=15
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Old 10-15-2004, 04:15 AM   #21
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what do i use the anti seize stuff and the grease for?

and the plug wires includes the whole coil pack on top of the motor correct?
The anti seize is for the thread of the new plugs. Helps prevent future problems with stuck plugs. Just dont put too much on.

The dielectirc grease is for terminal connections for the the spark plug to plug wire and plug wires to coil pack. The grease helps reduce corrosion/moisture and improves electrical contact.

What year car is yours? Or what engine, I should say. The plug wires are just the wires, the coil pack is not included. You can get the wires online from allsubaru or subaruwrxparts for less than 30 + ship. My local dealer wanted 40 for just 2 wires! IIRC there are 2 different size length wires, I think they are grouped 2 & 4 and 1 & 3 ?? Not sure how much the coil pack is.

hth..

scoobymods has some pretty good info. I tried to do a DIY step by step too...but took to long to take pics and do the work myself!

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Old 10-15-2004, 10:07 AM   #22
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Old 10-15-2004, 01:27 PM   #23
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What about water in the exhaust pipes?

If water entered the system, could that have affected the o2 sensors?

Have you checked the oil, level and consistency?

Just adding some questions to spark some insight.

Floor jack, just be sure it is rated for 2.5 tons.
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Old 10-15-2004, 01:37 PM   #24
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i changed almost the whole exhaust hah so no water in there

havent checked the oil since steve was down here

well mine is rated for around ther ebut it only raises 14 inches hah think thats a bit small
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Old 12-04-2005, 03:42 PM   #25
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With the new electronic ignitions, I'm not sure I would use my bare hands to hold the ignition wire. It might just stop your heart with the voltage now days. Maybe using a ign. wire puller would be best. I think you need one of these to pull the wires anyway because they are really a pain.
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