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Old 10-14-2004, 08:13 PM   #1
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Default Who's Comming? 2004 Pine Barrens Express Road Rally

Thats right, ONE MONTH is left until the 'brisk' road rally in the world!(at least for me) The rally will take place in Lakehurst, NJ on November 20, 2004. The rally headquaters will be the Manchester Fireshouse. Regristration will begin at 1:00pm and the rally will end around 10:00pm. This will be my 4th year running.
This year the rally will be about 160miles will lots of gravel and sand roads. There will be two runs in the Cranberry bogs, which I hate cause it sooo confusing and you can end your rally on the side of the road drinking cranberry juice! Also the biggest change is that this year, the PBX rally will be a part of the NEDiv Championship Sanction.
Oh, and a better dinner break!

For more info, go to http://home.att.net/~pbxrally/.


Whos up for the challenge??


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Old 10-14-2004, 09:40 PM   #2
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I'll be there, 3rd year!
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Old 10-15-2004, 06:37 PM   #3
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Only one daring person in the tri-state??
Evil, you've been there for three years, and we didnt meet??


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Old 10-15-2004, 07:07 PM   #4
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I will see if i can get off of work. I forgot this thing is on a sat.

Hopefully i will be able to go and do this. Havent done it for the past 2 years and it is definitly the most fun TSD that i have ever done.

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Old 10-15-2004, 07:29 PM   #5
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and u do this in your stock car?
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Old 10-15-2004, 08:20 PM   #6
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Yes, you can. All you need is a working odo, and a co-driver to read the notes.


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Old 10-16-2004, 10:04 AM   #7
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Rallycarperson,
Weird!
First year we were driving a 1989 Toyota Corolla All-Trac Sedan and last year we were driving the 1981 Toyota Celica that is currently in the gallery section of the PBX Rally website. Looking forward to actually meeting you this year, lol.
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:30 PM   #8
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Do people come just to watch?
I've never rallied but I love watching some WRC on the tube
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Old 10-16-2004, 05:06 PM   #9
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Rallycarperson,
Weird!
First year we were driving a 1989 Toyota Corolla All-Trac Sedan and last year we were driving the 1981 Toyota Celica that is currently in the gallery section of the PBX Rally website. Looking forward to actually meeting you this year, lol.
Yeah, I saw that. Nice car, my dad drove a GT in ProRally in the 80's.
Last year we were car #4, you were probably a higher number. Yeah, we gotta meet. Ill be in a dark blue TS wagon rockin on steelies (wOOt). You cant miss me, Ill be the only 14yo there.

bOdh1, its not really a spectator event.


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Old 10-18-2004, 02:45 PM   #10
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Bump...

Anyone else interested in trying the challenge??


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Old 10-18-2004, 04:17 PM   #11
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Default We will be there

My brother and I will be there again. It will also be our third year. It is always a blast. My brother got his flyer in the mail and will be sending it back soon.

We just need to decide which car to take.

May this year be without waterholes...

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Old 10-18-2004, 07:54 PM   #12
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What!? Waterholes are the best!!

Hope to see you and Evil there...OR ELSE!


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Old 10-18-2004, 11:21 PM   #13
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sounds like fun but ive got to work on saturdays....oh well
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Old 10-19-2004, 12:15 AM   #14
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Is this like a crazy rally? Like the stuff I see on WRC? Or is it more of dirt roads that you gotta watch out for holes?

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Old 10-19-2004, 03:49 AM   #15
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i'm kinda wondering the same as a few others about how i'll fare... i have limited aggressive driving experience on dirt roads and i'd be showing up in my wrx with stock wheels and tires and i'm lowered on eibach springs. i'm wondering what the danger level is for my car if i were to participate... i'd love to do this but the risk level cant be too high cause i need this car to be running strong 365 days a year.
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Old 10-19-2004, 08:40 AM   #16
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Yeah I want to know more. Sounds like something I'd like to do.
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Old 10-19-2004, 08:59 AM   #17
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This is a road rally, you will be traveling at perscribed speeds as dictated by the route sheet and those rectangular metal things that are attached to poles on the right side of the road.

However because these are dirt roads and there is no posted speed limit on them it can be anywhere from 15-45mph and once you start getting behind a little bit time has to be made up as these types of rallies are all about maintaining an average speed. If you show up early to a check point you get points. If you show up late you get points. The trick is to go the speed that the course notes tell you to go.

For a first timer you are best off not worrying too much about time. Go about 2-3mph faster than the CAS and you should be able to do OK. The main part is to finish the rally by not getting lost.

Not sure if I'll be there this year or not but I'll keep everyone posted.

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Old 10-19-2004, 10:08 AM   #18
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I know of 3 cars going for sure (myself included) and possibly and 1 or 2.

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Old 10-19-2004, 10:09 AM   #19
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At PBX I go with 5mph over the CAS (target speed) and it comes out ok. However, there is no such thing as "making up time," it just doesn't work since you don't know when the next check point is. The key to "making up time" when you get lost are Time Allowances - when you figure out you missed the turn hit a stop watch and time how long it takes to get back to that turn. Multiply that times two and that's the time you were late. When you fill out the Time Allowance card it will probably make you take them in increments of 1:30, 2:30, etc, but you can do surprisingly well if you figure out the time right. My navvie once got us a single digit score (less than 10/100th of a minute off perfect time) after we had been 'lost' for 5 minutes or so, he took the perfect time allowance.

Anyway, I preach that every year... I'll be there this year, either trading off driving/navigating duties with my regular co-driver or training a newbie. There's also a rally-x the next day in Monticello, NY so it will be a marathon weekend!

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Old 10-19-2004, 11:27 AM   #20
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Do you need an SCCA membership, helmet, signed parental permission slip, etc? I'm a complete racing noob, but this sounds pretty cool!
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Old 10-19-2004, 11:41 AM   #21
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Do you need an SCCA membership, helmet, signed parental permission slip, etc? I'm a complete racing noob, but this sounds pretty cool!
This is not a RACE. You will not need a helmet.

I can't stress this enough times this is a Road Rally not a performance rally. You will not be yanking the handbrake to slide around turns. You will not be going over blind crests at 80+. The speeds that are dictated in the route sheet are usually 2-3mph less than the posted speed limit. Local Police departments are aware of the fact that there is a TSD rally going on and may be out there.

Things you will need to bring. A map light, a pen and paper, a calculator, highlighters, water and snacks, most importantly a good positive attitude cause you more than likely will make a wrong turn or two, or even worse get horably lost and have to give up.

Have fun

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Old 10-19-2004, 12:05 PM   #22
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This is not a RACE. You will not need a helmet.

I can't stress this enough times this is a Road Rally not a performance rally. You will not be yanking the handbrake to slide around turns. You will not be going over blind crests at 80+. The speeds that are dictated in the route sheet are usually 2-3mph less than the posted speed limit. Local Police departments are aware of the fact that there is a TSD rally going on and may be out there.

Things you will need to bring. A map light, a pen and paper, a calculator, highlighters, water and snacks, most importantly a good positive attitude cause you more than likely will make a wrong turn or two, or even worse get horably lost and have to give up.

Have fun

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so I should cancel my rollcage order?

Thanks for the info, Zephyr. I just didn't want to be the kid who showed up in dress shoes for the little league game. This sounds like something I want in on!
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Old 10-19-2004, 12:20 PM   #23
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your car will never be the same after those roads. I never did the rally but I have been part of a meet that had us ride through the pine barrens in my old 99 RS. Lots of Sand and some deep ruts.
It sounds like a ton of fun but I won't take my Sti on one.

The meet that I attended was so much fun but I won't take my daily driver to it again.
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Old 10-19-2004, 02:14 PM   #24
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What!? Waterholes are the best!!
My brother dunked his Talon (teal no less) in Lake Fred. It was completely his fault. He stalled the car and had trouble getting it to run on more than two cylinders for a while. Too much raw gas in the exhaust flow heated up the pipes enough to set an exhaust hanger on fire. The free cranberry juice helped us extingush the flame.

There have not been any roads that would cause any concern for taking a daily driver. The roads are very well maintained and there is little or no loose sand. The roads are checked and double checked for problems, and work arounds are provided. Last year one of the roads was unusable and there was an emergency reroute around the problem. We will be in either his Talon or my WRX, both are daily drivers. If you are that worried rent a car.

The PBX is still the best rally in the area, everyone should attend.

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Old 10-19-2004, 02:20 PM   #25
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Do you need an SCCA membership, helmet, signed parental permission slip, etc? I'm a complete racing noob, but this sounds pretty cool!
If you are a minor then both of your parents still need to sign the waiver for you. I would not bring my 7 yr old son, but would think about it in a few years.
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