Cryogenic Processing!

CTI-Distributing · 10-15-2004, 05:34 PM

-Would you like your brake pads and rotors to last 2 to 3 times as long as they normally last?

-Would you like your drivetrain and suspension parts to be stronger and more durable?

As a race car shop, CTI-Distributing has come across a technology that has allowed us to do all of the above. Cryogenic processing, probably known by most of you, has long been used in motorsports racing to provide parts with increased durability, strength, and longevity. It is not uncommon for our race cars to run entire 25 hour endurance races on the same set of cryogenically treated pads and rotors. Cars sometimes even run the entire season with the same set of rotors! Transmission gears (hint: weak trannys in those WRXs), axles, and differentials also benefit greatly from being cryoed. The obvious benefits of cryoing are sizable long term cost savings.

Cryogenic processing is a thermal cycling process that incorporates state of the art computer controlled equipment to consistently monitor and control the product's temperature in a very controlled state. This produces an even distribution of relieved stress in the material that extends the durability and longevity of the product. In essence, cryogenic processing realligns the molecules of a product to produce greater dimensional stability, fewer hot spots, more consistency, and increased heat transfer. Nearly all drivetrain, suspension, and brake components benefit from being cryogenically treated.

CTI-Distributing is able to provide this race technology to the general public at reasonable and un-race like costs.

Special Introductory pricing is available now:

under 12" diameter: 2 rotors and 4 pads: $52.50
under 12" diameter: 4 rotors and 8 pads: $87.50
over 12" diameter: 2 rotors and 4 pads: $75.00
over 12" diameter: 4 rotors and 8 pads: $125

There are several more applications. For more info, details, and pricing, please PM or email. Thank you.

Geoff
(510) 639-0911

* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

CTI-Distributing · 11-16-2004, 07:56 PM

Special is still going on...

Unabomber · 11-16-2004, 08:47 PM

How much for my tuba?

Don't forget....gear sets for your transmission like cryo as well!

Transmission FAQ

420-Rex · 11-17-2004, 12:10 AM

Could i get some info on suspension cryoing? I got some Tein Flexs going on soon, and was wondering if these couild benifit from this method as well before i install them...? Waiting for you info, Z in TX.

CTI-Distributing · 11-17-2004, 12:04 PM

Haha! I just had my nylon pantyhose done! Thanks Unabomber.

420-Rex: The struts will not benefit from being cryoed, and it's probably not very safe to cryo them anyways since the contents are pressurized. The springs however will benefit. Cryoing them will make them last longer, sag less, and retain their sproinginess better.

Chi_San · 11-18-2004, 03:52 PM

Can we just cryo my entire car at once?

wildchild · 11-25-2004, 03:19 PM

How much to cryo a set of pistons?

CTI-Distributing · 11-29-2004, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildchild

How much to cryo a set of pistons?

It would be $30.

Geoff

parker/slc/gc8fan · 12-03-2004, 07:38 AM

how about a gearset?

CTI-Distributing · 12-03-2004, 12:05 PM

$20 for the gears and $25 for the shafts and forks.

A full pricing list can be found here: www.300degrees.com

Thanks,
Geoff

NavyBlueSubaru · 12-04-2004, 05:08 PM

These prices seem rediculously low...if I was building up an engine i would certainly have this done to all the parts. You havnt mentioned the benefits of it on a turbo...i've read in one of the typical car magazines about how some guy that races the dirt truck things did it to his turbos and they lasted like 20 times longer.

Can this be done to parts that are already in use? Just curious if a differential could be dissasembled and cryo'd.

Jeff

The Donnn · 12-04-2004, 09:58 PM

whats the turnaround time ?

420-Rex · 12-05-2004, 07:05 AM

Good question...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Donnn

whats the turnaround time ?

adeliciouspizza · 12-05-2004, 07:37 AM

unabomber i looked at your faq before posting this.

now this may be the wrong place to ask, and if so please excuse my ignorance. my question is if cryo treating is so wonderful why doesnt subaru use this process on the sti gears? as i understand it they are carburized (heat treated) and shot peened, but not cryo treated.

the reason i am skeptical about cryo treating is because a friend of mine had a brand new wrx 5 speed gear set cryo treated and installed by rallispec. he was running utec/pump/injectors/fp green and stock top mount and he destroyed 2nd gear from a roll with only a few thousand miles on the trans.

im just posting this because he was told that by cryo treating the gear set it would hold a substantially higher level of power and that proved to not be the case. it was a huge financial set back for him and almost caused him to have to sell the car. im not an expert and dont claim to be im just going from personal experience and i think these are legitimate concerns.

so what do you guys think?

CTI-Distributing · 12-06-2004, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavyBlueSubaru

These prices seem rediculously low...if I was building up an engine i would certainly have this done to all the parts. You havnt mentioned the benefits of it on a turbo...i've read in one of the typical car magazines about how some guy that races the dirt truck things did it to his turbos and they lasted like 20 times longer.

Can this be done to parts that are already in use? Just curious if a differential could be dissasembled and cryo'd.

Jeff

Thanks for mentioning that Jeff. A turbo will definitely benefit greatly from being cryoed because of the constant heat cycling and amount of moving parts it has.

As far as the prices, they are done by weight and we wait until we have a full load to run the machine. That way, we are able to keep costs down.

A differential could be disassembled but it would have to be cleaned before it went into the machine. Cleaning gear oil or viscous fluid off a set of gears or pinions in a differential would not be fun.

CTI-Distributing · 12-06-2004, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Donnn

whats the turnaround time ?

The turnaround time depends. We try to run the machine at least once every 6 weeks but it is contingent upon how much stuff we have that needs to be cryoed. We wait until we have a full load so that costs can be kept down.

CTI-Distributing · 12-06-2004, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weitek

unabomber i looked at your faq before posting this.

now this may be the wrong place to ask, and if so please excuse my ignorance. my question is if cryo treating is so wonderful why doesnt subaru use this process on the sti gears? as i understand it they are carburized (heat treated) and shot peened, but not cryo treated.

the reason i am skeptical about cryo treating is because a friend of mine had a brand new wrx 5 speed gear set cryo treated and installed by rallispec. he was running utec/pump/injectors/fp green and stock top mount and he destroyed 2nd gear from a roll with only a few thousand miles on the trans.

im just posting this because he was told that by cryo treating the gear set it would hold a substantially higher level of power and that proved to not be the case. it was a huge financial set back for him and almost caused him to have to sell the car. im not an expert and dont claim to be im just going from personal experience and i think these are legitimate concerns.

so what do you guys think?

If I may comment on the matter, cryoing gears will allow them to hold a substantially higher amount of power. However, there is no way to tell if the product has been treated visually (except for maybe some WD40 on the product). I'm not implying that your friend installed gears that weren't actually treated; I'm simply searching for an explanation. Also, cryoing something will not make it indestructable, it will make it stonger. With enough abuse, cryoed products will break just like untreated products; it will just take longer. Bottom line: cryoing a product is not a license to abuse it. I do not know the details of your friend's situation so I will reserve comment. In my humble opinion, $20 for a gear set for a 5spd, and $25 for the forks and shafts is a risk worth taking (with documented benefits) to make a gearset last twice as long.

With regard to shot-peening and carburizing, I would guess that STi does not use cyroing for a couple of reasons. First, it is a more expensive and time consuming process than the other two techniques. Running a small cryo machine is quite expensive (because it uses liquid nitrogen) and the process takes 72 hours. To do all the gear sets that Subaru puts in the STi would take a lot of time and money. The cost benefit gain of cryoing a product for a street car is probably minimal. Secondly, cryoing is a newer and less accessible process than shotpeening and carburizing. Perhaps in 10 years, cryo-treating things will cheaper, more accessible, and commonplace.

Flyn'Rex · 12-14-2004, 10:30 PM

my car is currently at the body and will be...would it be possible for me to send you my gears and get them back in a responible amount of time?

CTI-Distributing · 12-15-2004, 01:06 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by "responsible" but if you send us your gears, we will cryo them when we next run the machine and get them back to you as soon as possible. I estimate that the machine will be run within the next 4-5 weeks. Thanks.

Geoff

CTI-Distributing · 12-23-2004, 05:50 PM

We will be doing a cryo load in either the first or second week of January so if anyone has anything they'd like cryoed, please let me know ASAP. Thank you.

Geoff
(510) 639-0911

CTI-Distributing · 01-04-2005, 07:59 PM

Last call for cryo.

Geoff
(510) 639-0911

adeliciouspizza · 01-04-2005, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTI-Distributing

Last call for cryo.

Geoff
(510) 639-0911

thanks for the excellent comments. free bump.

oct1285 · 01-05-2005, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTI-Distributing

Last call for cryo.

Geoff
(510) 639-0911

hurry up and start already

CTI-Distributing · 01-05-2005, 01:17 PM

Heheh, thanks guys

I'm on it...

CTI-Distributing · 01-13-2005, 04:06 PM

Hey all,

The machine was run this week but it looks as though it may be run again soon because we have some engine parts we need to cryo for one of our race cars. If you are interested in getting something in on this next load, please let me know and I'll put you on a contact list. Thanks.

Geoff
(510) 639-0911

10-15-2004, 05:34 PM	#1
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	Cryogenic Processing! -Would you like your brake pads and rotors to last 2 to 3 times as long as they normally last? -Would you like your drivetrain and suspension parts to be stronger and more durable? As a race car shop, CTI-Distributing has come across a technology that has allowed us to do all of the above. Cryogenic processing, probably known by most of you, has long been used in motorsports racing to provide parts with increased durability, strength, and longevity. It is not uncommon for our race cars to run entire 25 hour endurance races on the same set of cryogenically treated pads and rotors. Cars sometimes even run the entire season with the same set of rotors! Transmission gears (hint: weak trannys in those WRXs), axles, and differentials also benefit greatly from being cryoed. The obvious benefits of cryoing are sizable long term cost savings. Cryogenic processing is a thermal cycling process that incorporates state of the art computer controlled equipment to consistently monitor and control the product's temperature in a very controlled state. This produces an even distribution of relieved stress in the material that extends the durability and longevity of the product. In essence, cryogenic processing realligns the molecules of a product to produce greater dimensional stability, fewer hot spots, more consistency, and increased heat transfer. Nearly all drivetrain, suspension, and brake components benefit from being cryogenically treated. CTI-Distributing is able to provide this race technology to the general public at reasonable and un-race like costs. Special Introductory pricing is available now: under 12" diameter: 2 rotors and 4 pads: $52.50 under 12" diameter: 4 rotors and 8 pads: $87.50 over 12" diameter: 2 rotors and 4 pads: $75.00 over 12" diameter: 4 rotors and 8 pads: $125 There are several more applications. For more info, details, and pricing, please PM or email. Thank you. Geoff (510) 639-0911 * Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by CTI-Distributing; 01-03-2005 at 12:50 PM.

12-05-2004, 07:37 AM	#14
adeliciouspizza Scooby Specialist Member Sales Rating: (3) Member#: 7844 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: NorthEast Wisconsin Vehicle: 05 STI CGM	unabomber i looked at your faq before posting this. now this may be the wrong place to ask, and if so please excuse my ignorance. my question is if cryo treating is so wonderful why doesnt subaru use this process on the sti gears? as i understand it they are carburized (heat treated) and shot peened, but not cryo treated. the reason i am skeptical about cryo treating is because a friend of mine had a brand new wrx 5 speed gear set cryo treated and installed by rallispec. he was running utec/pump/injectors/fp green and stock top mount and he destroyed 2nd gear from a roll with only a few thousand miles on the trans. im just posting this because he was told that by cryo treating the gear set it would hold a substantially higher level of power and that proved to not be the case. it was a huge financial set back for him and almost caused him to have to sell the car. im not an expert and dont claim to be im just going from personal experience and i think these are legitimate concerns. so what do you guys think? Last edited by adeliciouspizza; 12-05-2004 at 07:45 AM.

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11-16-2004, 07:56 PM	#2
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	Special is still going on...

11-16-2004, 08:47 PM	#3
Unabomber Big Ron Moderator Member Sales Rating: (10) Member#: 18062 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: I can save you a ton of cash Vehicle: on car parts so PM me b4 j00 buy	How much for my tuba? Don't forget....gear sets for your transmission like cryo as well! Transmission FAQ

11-17-2004, 12:10 AM	#4
420-Rex Scooby Newbie Member Sales Rating: (3) Member#: 61506 Join Date: May 2004 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: ATX Vehicle: 2003 Impreza WRX WRB	Could i get some info on suspension cryoing? I got some Tein Flexs going on soon, and was wondering if these couild benifit from this method as well before i install them...? Waiting for you info, Z in TX.

11-17-2004, 12:04 PM	#5
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	Haha! I just had my nylon pantyhose done! Thanks Unabomber. 420-Rex: The struts will not benefit from being cryoed, and it's probably not very safe to cryo them anyways since the contents are pressurized. The springs however will benefit. Cryoing them will make them last longer, sag less, and retain their sproinginess better.

11-18-2004, 03:52 PM	#6
Chi_San Scooby Guru Member Sales Rating: (2) Member#: 53558 Join Date: Jan 2004 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Deadford, OR Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon Silver	Can we just cryo my entire car at once?

11-25-2004, 03:19 PM	#7
wildchild Scooby Newbie Member Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 50908 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Arcadia, CA Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5RS BRP	How much to cryo a set of pistons?

12-03-2004, 07:38 AM	#9
parker/slc/gc8fan Scooby Specialist Member Sales Rating: (2) Member#: 46241 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: N. Salt Lake City, UT Vehicle: - RIP SDF-1	how about a gearset?

12-03-2004, 12:05 PM	#10
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	$20 for the gears and $25 for the shafts and forks. A full pricing list can be found here: www.300degrees.com Thanks, Geoff

12-04-2004, 05:08 PM	#11
NavyBlueSubaru Scooby Specialist Member Sales Rating: (2) Member#: 22127 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Oviedo, FL Vehicle: 2013 BMW 335i Sedan Estoril Blue	These prices seem rediculously low...if I was building up an engine i would certainly have this done to all the parts. You havnt mentioned the benefits of it on a turbo...i've read in one of the typical car magazines about how some guy that races the dirt truck things did it to his turbos and they lasted like 20 times longer. Can this be done to parts that are already in use? Just curious if a differential could be dissasembled and cryo'd. Jeff

12-04-2004, 09:58 PM	#12
The Donnn Scooby Specialist Member Sales Rating: (3) Member#: 33178 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Li, NY SUCKA Vehicle: SQC 106	whats the turnaround time ?

12-14-2004, 10:30 PM	#18
Flyn'Rex Scooby Specialist Member Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 64957 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: a shack	my car is currently at the body and will be...would it be possible for me to send you my gears and get them back in a responible amount of time?

12-15-2004, 01:06 PM	#19
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	I'm not sure what you mean by "responsible" but if you send us your gears, we will cryo them when we next run the machine and get them back to you as soon as possible. I estimate that the machine will be run within the next 4-5 weeks. Thanks. Geoff

12-23-2004, 05:50 PM	#20
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	We will be doing a cryo load in either the first or second week of January so if anyone has anything they'd like cryoed, please let me know ASAP. Thank you. Geoff (510) 639-0911

01-04-2005, 07:59 PM	#21
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	Last call for cryo. Geoff (510) 639-0911

01-05-2005, 01:17 PM	#24
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	Heheh, thanks guys I'm on it...

01-13-2005, 04:06 PM	#25
CTI-Distributing Vendor Vendor Sales Rating: (0) Member#: 72424 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Vehicle: 04 WRX STi WRB	Hey all, The machine was run this week but it looks as though it may be run again soon because we have some engine parts we need to cryo for one of our race cars. If you are interested in getting something in on this next load, please let me know and I'll put you on a contact list. Thanks. Geoff (510) 639-0911