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Old 10-17-2004, 05:27 PM   #51
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I couldn't get some of their buttons to work, I read down and it has "an intercooler pipe" That implies a Y-pipe for a TMIC, but the pic shows no scoop. I'm confused.
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Old 10-17-2004, 05:42 PM   #52
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Old 10-17-2004, 05:57 PM   #53
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People in general don't know jack about cars. They see an Impreza and its automatically a wrx. Even the older RS is sometimes confused. You car will still be noticed even w/o wing and hoodscoop. Want a sleeper? Get an older wagon and do a swap. IMHO buying an STI and then stripping it is lame.


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Old 10-17-2004, 06:08 PM   #54
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Buy a Forester XT if you want a sleeper STi
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Old 10-17-2004, 06:56 PM   #55
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FMIC, WRX hood (smaller scoop), WRX rear wing/trunk lid, WRX dual tip exhaust, STi debadge, WRX front projector headlamps, WRX front headlamps (no HID), 04 WRX front seats. Bottom line is it will never look like an RS, but you can make it close to a WRX. With a few mods, ECU, DP, bigger turbo, youll own.
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Old 10-17-2004, 07:45 PM   #56
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IMHO buying an STI and then stripping it is lame.


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Ditto...you're going to pay 30g's for a car with extreme styling and performance, and then take away the styling? And to anyone who knows anything...a car with an FMIC is no sleeper, I don't care what it looks like. An RS with an FMIC obviously has some work done, I don't care if it's an STi that looks like an RS, or a real RS.

I don't understand why anyone would want to tone down the looks of the STi. If you don't want it to look like one, get an RS or WRX, save all the money on the STi and its insurance, and just dump all your savings into whatever car you buy.

IMO that's the logical way to go about it...buy something slower, cheaper, less of a cop magnet, and make it fast. To buy something built to be flashy and fast, and take away half of it, as Mick said, IMHO is lame.
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:12 PM   #57
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Ditto...you're going to pay 30g's for a car with extreme styling and performance, and then take away the styling? And to anyone who knows anything...a car with an FMIC is no sleeper, I don't care what it looks like. An RS with an FMIC obviously has some work done, I don't care if it's an STi that looks like an RS, or a real RS.

I don't understand why anyone would want to tone down the looks of the STi. If you don't want it to look like one, get an RS or WRX, save all the money on the STi and its insurance, and just dump all your savings into whatever car you buy.

IMO that's the logical way to go about it...buy something slower, cheaper, less of a cop magnet, and make it fast. To buy something built to be flashy and fast, and take away half of it, as Mick said, IMHO is lame.

Ok then, find me a parts and install price for an EJ257, 6MT with dccd and Brembo brakes that costs less than the difference between the wrx and the STI price?

The difference in insurance cost is basically negligable for me.

Also a black anodized FMIC is barely noticeable with the stock body parts.

There more reasoning for buying an STI over a WRX than a big spoiler and STI badging. Remeber what Lance says, "Driven by whats inside." Its whats inside that makes an STI what it is.
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:30 PM   #58
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You make a valid point, but I guess I just don't understand sleepers. Maybe it's because I'm only 19 and I love to stand out...or maybe it's regardless of age and I just love to stand out.

I can't stand just being another person in the crowd, my car has to turn heads when I drive down the street, so it's hard for me to understand why someone would want to do just the opposite.

Oh well, it's your money/car, you can do what you want. Who am I to judge.
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:58 PM   #59
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I can't see stripping down my STi. I want people to know I have an STi. However, I don't race (other than the occasional punks on the street). I actually consider it the other way around. I think there are plenty of people that like the RS and can only afford the RS and over time want to mod it up. The only problem with that theory is the Brembo's. But, I think if you paint them black, you can go with the rest of yer plans and make a conservative sedan that could also be somewhat a 'sleeper'.
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Old 10-17-2004, 09:27 PM   #60
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Ok then, find me a parts and install price for an EJ257, 6MT with dccd and Brembo brakes that costs less than the difference between the wrx and the STI price?
It's only the cosmetic stuff that's being swapped. He ain't doing anything different than any of us. He is building a car he is happy with. Just maybe in the reverse direction

I'm way past 19, and wanting to be noticed. I looked at one of those first STI's and just said, "No way!" Then I saw that sleeper STI on speed and said, hmmmmmmm, berry interesting.
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Old 10-17-2004, 09:31 PM   #61
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Ok then, find me a parts and install price for an EJ257, 6MT with dccd and Brembo brakes that costs less than the difference between the wrx and the STI price?
I covered this in another thread...

a conservative estimate on a used '02 WRX would be ~17k (lower for one with less options like a spoiler, etc...)

Then you can add:

a type RA 6MT with rear diff can be had for about 4k (add DCCD for ~$700)
UP, VF-34, TBE, intake and associated Turbo parts (BOV, hoses, etc..) can be had for 2k
FMIC can be had for .8k
struts/springs would run about 1k
brembo's would run 1.5k (there are other less costly brakes that are comparable..)
rims/tires to clear the Brembo's (going cheap here) .5k

Keep in mind that there are costs that can be recouped in a sell..(tranny, Turbo, brakes, etc..) that will lower the cost even more..

granted it's not an EJ257.. but your going to spank most of the STi's out there.. You can go even cheaper if you go to an RA gearset rather than a 6MT swap.. They both have the same final gear ratio and the RA handles well from what I hear...

Short story: you can have an STi killer AND a sleeper for under 25k...

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Old 10-17-2004, 10:04 PM   #62
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The Forester XT or Legacy GT would make excellent sleepers. One of my friends commented on the new Outbacks having ram-air. (He's a domestic guy, it seems ram-air is the only mod they do to their V8s.) I quickly corrected him that it was actually a hood scoop for the TMIC on the 250hp engine.

As far as toning down the STi, I'd just do the trunk lid swap, hood swap, and debadge the exterior. I wouldn't go into trying to make it impossible to figure out it's an STi, just enough so while you're passing someone they don't notice.
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Old 10-17-2004, 10:14 PM   #63
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i say the trunk swap.. with a carbon fiber trunk, and just get it painted.. or use a stock lid.. dont matter..
new hood w/o scoop, FMIC, aftermarket rims, remove all badges and the little STI decal's on the front bumper and thats it..

other people wanna ask why you have a sti cluster or steering wheel etc etc, tell them you swapped them out.
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Old 10-17-2004, 10:16 PM   #64
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dont get an sti.
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Old 10-17-2004, 10:56 PM   #65
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Put WRX brakes or aftermarket WRX brakes on it, so you can fit stock WRX wheels.

Get the quietest catback you can buy. Do the car up like a 2.5 RS. Get a big sticker for the back that says WRX.

If you shave all the emblems people are going to know something's up.
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Old 10-18-2004, 12:08 AM   #66
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I covered this in another thread...

a conservative estimate on a used '02 WRX would be ~17k (lower for one with less options like a spoiler, etc...)

Then you can add:

a type RA 6MT with rear diff can be had for about 4k (add DCCD for ~$700)
UP, VF-34, TBE, intake and associated Turbo parts (BOV, hoses, etc..) can be had for 2k
FMIC can be had for .8k
struts/springs would run about 1k
brembo's would run 1.5k (there are other less costly brakes that are comparable..)
rims/tires to clear the Brembo's (going cheap here) .5k

Keep in mind that there are costs that can be recouped in a sell..(tranny, Turbo, brakes, etc..) that will lower the cost even more..

granted it's not an EJ257.. but your going to spank most of the STi's out there.. You can go even cheaper if you go to an RA gearset rather than a 6MT swap.. They both have the same final gear ratio and the RA handles well from what I hear...

Short story: you can have an STi killer AND a sleeper for under 25k...

-Shane
Where do you buy your parts, cause those are the most amazing prices I've ever seen!

Based on your estimates with some cost added because some of your prices are ridiculously low youd be looking at just over $10k. Buy a new WRX for say $24k plus the $10k, your already over an STI and your only looking at around 200 WHP because you left out EM. Honestly to bring a wrx up to a stock STI's performance your looking at probably $12-15k. On top of that you have to consider the insatll charges which would be hefty even with selling the removed parts to offset the cost. Even then your pushing a smaller engine and your never going to have the same driveability as the EJ257 with the added torque.

Now say I went your route with a used WRX. I get a great deal on one for $17k. I then put the conservatively estimated $12k into it and I've spent $29k. I'm still slower than a stock STI and the hadling isnt as good. I'd rathger spend the extra $2k and own an STI.

No offense to you at all but it seems to me alot of people are standoffish about the STI. Its not that much more than a new wrx, unless of course your buying used and just really like to tune your own car, which I completely understand, been there done that, loved it, still do.

Ok, I'm done.

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Old 10-18-2004, 12:13 AM   #67
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Another thing I've realized is that short of swapping almost every body part with an impreza rs including brakes there really isnt any hope in toning down the base look of the impreza. Even in the RS form it stands out and is very agressive looking.

The ultimate sleeper would be to transplant the core of the STI into an OBS! Could you imagine a 300 hp OBS? If I had gobs of money to throw around I would definitely have that done.
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Old 10-18-2004, 12:30 AM   #68
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Your 300 hp OBS wouldn't have the same suspension geometry as the STi no matter what bolt-ons you threw at it.

IMO, the current STi is one of those cars that will still be something special a decade from now to those who appreciate hot imports. Kind of like this car:



I'm not doing a thing to make my STi a sleeper, cops and ricers be damned.
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Old 10-18-2004, 12:32 AM   #69
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That is a rad car. Man Ford and their V8 obsession.
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Where do you buy your parts, cause those are the most amazing prices I've ever seen....

...Buy a new WRX for say $24k plus the $10k, your already over an STI and your only looking at around 200 WHP because you left out EM...

...I get a great deal on one for $17k...

I then put the conservatively estimated $12k into it and I've spent $29k.
1st.. you don't have to buy NEW parts.. I have seen parts go for as low as these (AND LOWER) numerous times from local adds and threads here...

2nd... you're right, I left out EM.. that'll run ~$750 with a tune (TXS UTEC...)...

3rd... a "great deal" can be had for under 17k.. notice my post was on an '02 WRX...
some examples:
'04 for 17.9k:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646302

'02 for 13k:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648768

'02 for 14k:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641442

These are just the local Nabisco ads.. if you look at you rlocal area, your deals can be substantially better

4th... After you find a great deal (say 13k..) and spent 10k in mods.. you now have a 23k STi Stomper.. anyone who says that adding 10k in mods to a WRX will not produce enough gains to stomp an STi is on crack...

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I dont deny that, put $10k into a wrx engine and you'll beat the STI in a straight line...for a while, then your clutch will go, tranny will break and dont foget STI's turn well also my friend.

With $10k into a wrx you would have a better, faster, stronger car than the majority on the road at any gioven moment but if you were to put $10k into the STI youd have a supercar.
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...but if you were to put $10k into the STI youd have a supercar...
no doubt... but see, then we'd be talking 20k+ in mods to a WRX and only 10k in mods to an STi.. and I can tell you that 20k in mods to a WRX will outperform 95-99% of any of the modded STi's out there.. Fact is.. you asked how to stealth a performance car like the STi... I answered with an easy answer: save your $, buy a used '02 and you can dump all your extra $ into performance which will anhiliate any STi AND keep you stealthy....

A hasty example.. but a good one.. STEALTH-WRX.. Nick owns an '02 (looks like an '04 with the conversion..) that puts down 536awhp.. can you find many STi's that compare in the slightest?? I can pretty much guarantee you he has spent less than 20k in performance mods...

http://www.nickslife.net/page/page/1001283.htm

Another? ESX's new-gen WRX.. fastest new gen WRX. and it's NOT an STi...it pulled mid-10's with an EJ20...

Fact is, STi is like Nike.. you're buying extra performance, yes.. but mostly you're buying a name by buying an "STi".. don't get me wrong, I love the STi, I love the looks.. but if I wanted to stay "stealthy" with performance, I'd stay WRX...

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