Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Monday July 28, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Factory 2.5L Turbo Powertrain

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-15-2004, 11:11 PM   #1
gpatmac
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 18446
Join Date: May 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX wagon
psm

Default pro's and con's of non-subaru-informed vs. the infamous WRX tuners

There's actually two types of the non-subaru informed; import tuners and hotrod (or worse) N/A hotrod tuners.

I'm going to talk to these folks CFM Performance to get a general feel.

What are some of y'all's thoughts concerning this issue? Is there anything you'd take your car to someone besides the Subaru service dept. or to a WRX-oriented tuning shop like APR or such?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
gpatmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2004, 11:29 PM   #2
STiTuner
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5778
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Vehicle:
09 135i
Jet Black

Default

I'ld still take a motor to kenny duttweiler any day of the week. and I'ld still have wilson make a manifold if I had the money... but just cause I trust them doesn't mean I'ld take it ANYWHERE...
STiTuner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2004, 11:42 PM   #3
gpatmac
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 18446
Join Date: May 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX wagon
psm

Default

I guess I should have oriented this thread more specifically towards heads, although discussing any sort of machining is probably appropriate.

It would seem that actually 'tuning', ie the ECU, piggyback or standalone, would be where you'd be most concerned that the shop was ultra-familiar with the WRX.

So, those 2 individuals are 'pushrod-type' guys that you'd trust your heads or cylinders with?
gpatmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2004, 11:58 PM   #4
STiTuner
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5778
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Vehicle:
09 135i
Jet Black

Default

I would most certianly trust a head or any other part of my motor to duttweiler... but unless you're on his buddy list it'll take him a while to get to it, assuming he doesn't just say no from the beginning (which I can say he most likely would say NO). there are a few pro motorcycle builders I'ld trust a motor too aswell.

as far as tuning it depends on the EMS you're running as to who I'ld take it too aswell. if I ran an AEM I might take it one place and if I had a UTEC I might take it somewhere else. of course if both people were competent tuners you would yield good results. but if you take it to someone who is more familiar with the software (and hardware) you might yield better results.

there are a lot of good capable people that aren't on this board that could probably build you a pretty kick ass setup.
STiTuner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2004, 12:10 AM   #5
gpatmac
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 18446
Join Date: May 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX wagon
psm

Default

Duttweiller works at CFM? I just didn't want to mistake what you're saying.

Nah, I'm only interested in headwork right now. I'd assume that it's a given that Dan Paramore is a WRX heads guru, I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually he that ported heads for Quirt and I-speed. I'm not making any statements, just saying I wouldn't be surprised. Anyhow, the prices up at CFM AND the fact I'd only have to drive ~50 miles to have it done makes CFM look awfully attractive.

As far as EM, I'm tuning my own UTEC. Although as an azimuth check, I do plan on seeing if I can't get RiftsWRX, or someone of that caliber, to tune it at APR next spring/summer. That will be my first and last time of going to a dynometer.
gpatmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2004, 12:32 AM   #6
STiTuner
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5778
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Vehicle:
09 135i
Jet Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gpatmac
Duttweiller works at CFM? I just didn't want to mistake what you're saying.

Nah, I'm only interested in headwork right now. I'd assume that it's a given that Dan Paramore is a WRX heads guru, I wouldn't be surprised if it were actually he that ported heads for Quirt and I-speed. I'm not making any statements, just saying I wouldn't be surprised. Anyhow, the prices up at CFM AND the fact I'd only have to drive ~50 miles to have it done makes CFM look awfully attractive.

As far as EM, I'm tuning my own UTEC. Although as an azimuth check, I do plan on seeing if I can't get RiftsWRX, or someone of that caliber, to tune it at APR next spring/summer. That will be my first and last time of going to a dynometer.
Duttweiller does NOT work at CFM, he works on 1500+ HP GN's... I was simply using it as a point to illustrate that I would trust other non-subaru specific people in some cases. I don't know anything about CFM.

further more just because someone is a WRX specilist doesn't mean they are great (not saying anything about Dan or Jorge since I haven't seen their work personally).

Pick people who you know are knowledgable, and do their job well.
STiTuner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2004, 12:48 AM   #7
gpatmac
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 18446
Join Date: May 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX wagon
psm

Default

Sweet, Thanks.
gpatmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pro's and con's of driving a motorcycle as daily driver.... e11ys Off-Topic 83 06-02-2014 05:05 PM
Pro's and Con's of changing tranny fluid VBwrex13 Newbies & FAQs 27 02-04-2010 10:14 PM
Pro's and Con's of disconnecting ABS 4080wrx Brakes, Steering & Suspension 8 06-27-2008 01:36 PM
Pro's and Con's of nitriding Blue beard Built Motor Discussion 8 11-09-2007 12:51 AM
Pro's and con's of subaru impreza spriggan General Community 13 01-18-2002 11:22 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.