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Old 10-16-2004, 01:07 AM   #1
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Unhappy Lowering springs = Bad Idea?

I really want to lower my car, but I heard that using
lowering springs alone will kill my stock shocks.

Is it really a bad idea to use aftermarket springs
without any shocks upgrade?

If I have the money, of course I will get the full
coilover system. But...$1500......
I also know that I can replace the springs with
performance shocks, but $$$ of springs + $$$ of shocks +
$$$ of upper mounts = $1000......doesn't look too good either...

So, Is lowering springs okay to use? or should I just wait
until I have $$$ to get the coilover?

Keep in mind that I live in SF with crappy local roads
and highways...And my commute is about 50%hwy/50%local.
I am not looking for any amazing handling improvements.
I just think that my car looks weird with 17 inch rims
but sitting that high...especially the front....
Any advises/comments?
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Old 10-16-2004, 02:23 AM   #2
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Are you sure that coilovers are for you? If you have bad roads and mostly do street driving, you might want a good spring/strut setup. What kind of car do you have? Some springs work well with the stock struts. You probably won't need upper mounts. It's hard to give advice if I don't know what kind of car you have.
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Old 10-16-2004, 04:18 AM   #3
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The word on the street is that Prodrives and Eibach Pro spring sets work well on the stock struts. Somthing like the Tein S-techs or other springs that lower alot and are super stiff have been known to kill the stock struts. Although people use them and say they have no problems.

I hate to say it, but there are a lot of threads about this. Search is your friend

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Old 10-16-2004, 09:17 AM   #4
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you can get a very DECENT suspension for $600. titanmotorsports.com is selling some KYB struts for $440. and you can get some S-techs for about $160. $25 for rear camber bolts. $50 for alignment...

so the total is about $675. you could even spring for the KYB GR2s if you don't care about performance too much but just want a nice drop. those are atleast $150 cheapr than the AGXs.

btw, i've been getting top 10 in pax at autoxs the last couple of times with $725 woth of suspsension. so yes, budget suspension can do VERY well if you get teh right stuff.
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:18 PM   #5
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Thanks for all the inputs!!


Sounds like I should find a set of good springs or springs/AGXs set up then.

btw -- I have a 2002 WRX sedan
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:23 PM   #6
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So...I would probably want to get some spring that lower not that much If I am only replacing the springs (like prodrives, STi, Eibach and not Tein)

And If I go with the KYB structs, it is okay to use stiffer springs like S-techs right?
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:26 PM   #7
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Thanks for all the inputs!!


Sounds like I should find a set of good springs or springs/AGXs set up then.

btw -- I have a 2002 WRX sedan
How many miles are on your struts? The GR2 are a good budget strut. THe AGXs are nice because they're adjustable. Koni inserts are a step above the AGXs and are also adjustable.

For springs...Eibachs and Prodrives are strut friendly. It seems that Teins drop too much....dropping more than 1.5" isn't recommended by strut companies.
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:30 PM   #8
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So...I would probably want to get some spring that lower not that much If I am only replacing the springs (like prodrives, STi, Eibach and not Tein)

And If I go with the KYB structs, it is okay to use stiffer springs like S-techs right?
AGXs can handle higher spring rates....but Stechs are too low. I think they lower 2" in the front. That's just too much...but that doesn't mean that people don't use them. There are probably plenty of people who do and have no problems.

What do you plan on doing with your car? Street only? Autox? Track?
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:41 PM   #9
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You mean my stock struts? 47K miles

I will go search and compare the GR2, AGXs and Koni later on, but I might get the AGXs as I heard many good things about them

As for springs, S-techs seems to be the most friendly with my wallet and the drop looks good for me. I am just worry that it will eat up my struts..

I am currently using my car for commuting only
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:43 PM   #10
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Prodrive springs were designed to work with stock struts, so you might want to look into those.

That's one of the reasons I got a set.
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Old 10-16-2004, 01:51 PM   #11
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But every company says that "WE ENGINEERED OUR PRODUCTS TO PERFECTION!" even Tein says that their springs are designed to work with stock struts......
That is why I ask about which one is really the one that won't kill my struts...

so Prodrive is a good choice?
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Old 10-16-2004, 02:14 PM   #12
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You mean my stock struts? 47K miles

I will go search and compare the GR2, AGXs and Koni later on, but I might get the AGXs as I heard many good things about them

As for springs, S-techs seems to be the most friendly with my wallet and the drop looks good for me. I am just worry that it will eat up my struts..

I am currently using my car for commuting only
Well....it's just for commuting....do you drive hard??

Eibachs aren't much more than Teins. Strut companies don't recommend lowering more than 1.5"......Stechs lower 2" in the front. It's your call....you'll probably be fine with the Teins, but for a commuter car on bad roads, I would suggest Eibachs.
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Old 10-16-2004, 02:36 PM   #13
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so do you think eibach will work okay with my stock struts?
because I think I want to go will springs alone first.
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Old 10-16-2004, 02:38 PM   #14
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do I drive hard? I mean...sometimes, but not to the limits anyways
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so do you think eibach will work okay with my stock struts?
because I think I want to go will springs alone first.
Yeah, the Eibachs will work well with the stock struts. Stock struts usually last around 100K with stock springs....with aftermarket springs, their life is shortened. Are you installing the springs yourself? If not, I'd at least get some GR2s to go with the Eibachs....that way, you only have to pay for one installation and one alignment. You'll actually save yourself some money in the long run.
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Old 10-16-2004, 04:06 PM   #16
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That's true...

I will have to think about getting struts or not.
aside from the $200 installation fee and alignment...
1) $ 250 for spings alone
(but I will have to worry about my struts and may need to pay $200 again for shocks upgade )
2) $ 750 for shocks and springs
(The only unhappy thing will be my wallet)

I am not so sure if I can do the springs myself.
I mean, I have tools at home and can do oil change, rotate tires and stuff, but I've never work on springs and struts before...

Maybe I should just buy the spring/shocks at Gruppe-S (the nearest dealer with Eibach and AGXs) and let them take care of it.
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That's true...

I will have to think about getting struts or not.
aside from the $200 installation fee and alignment...
1) $ 250 for spings alone
(but I will have to worry about my struts and may need to pay $200 again for shocks upgade )
2) $ 750 for shocks and springs
(The only unhappy thing will be my wallet)

I am not so sure if I can do the springs myself.
I mean, I have tools at home and can do oil change, rotate tires and stuff, but I've never work on springs and struts before...

Maybe I should just buy the spring/shocks at Gruppe-S (the nearest dealer with Eibach and AGXs) and let them take care of it.
Yeah, take your car to Gruppe S, they have some good install prices I think.
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Old 10-17-2004, 08:56 AM   #18
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I have seen Esplier springs on stock struts that have worked wonderfully without destroying stock suspension.
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I have seen Esplier springs on stock struts that have worked wonderfully without destroying stock suspension.
yes, but you've probably seen them on stock STi struts. the thread starter has the 02 WRX non-STi struts. and a huge increase in spring rate is not going to sit well with the stock wrx struts.
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