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Old 10-18-2004, 05:16 PM   #1
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Angry Web builder experts...help me please!

I really hate building sites....I use Dreamweaver, and nothing I make ever matches what I see on my screen. SO FRUSTRATING!


http://www.soundwerksaudio.com/Untitled-3.htm

OK, for example, on this page, between my logo and the grey box, there should be a header/banner image. It is a background image for that cell. But it doesnt show up. You can see it in the source code :

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<tr background="Assets/header_image.jpg">
<td height="50" colspan="2">&nbsp;</td>
</tr>

but for some reason it doesnt show up.

What am I doing wrong?
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:19 PM   #2
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Works fine here... maybe not in IE.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:20 PM   #3
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"background" is not a standard parameter for the "tr" tag.

try...

<tr>
<td background="Assets/header_image.jpg" height="50" colspan="2">&nbsp;</td>
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:24 PM   #4
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"background" is not a standard parameter for the "tr" tag.

try...

<tr>
<td background="Assets/header_image.jpg" height="50" colspan="2">&nbsp;</td>
</tr>

yay! Thank you!!

Although, I dont understand the difference..and why would Dreamweaver do that if its not a proper code?
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:26 PM   #5
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Prolly because dreamweaver doesn't do all the little bugs that IE has. It does it so that it can be displayed on Mozilla.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:27 PM   #6
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really? I figured Dreamweaver would adhere mostly to IE standards, since its the most popular browser...no?
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:28 PM   #7
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I dunno if IE is the most poplular or not.
I have even found little bugs with MS FrontPage that needed to be fixed in the HTML to display properly on IE.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:29 PM   #8
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TIP - If you are building webpages you should always use at least 2+ browsers to test it on. Suck if you thought it looked fine but to some people it looked all screwed up.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:30 PM   #9
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yay! Thank you!!

Although, I dont understand the difference..and why would Dreamweaver do that if its not a proper code?
...It's called beating MS at its own game.

How many times in the past has MS added extra stuff to its browsers and FrontPage that was outside the W3C standards and would ONLY work if run on one of their browsers? My guess is that this Dreamweaver fluke is part of a collaboration to now allow a large number of pages to only look good in non-MS browsers, as a sort of earned retribution.

That's right MS, it's your own medicine, so suck it.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:36 PM   #10
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Tables are for girls
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:39 PM   #11
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Unless you need to display your data in a tabular format.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:40 PM   #12
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Unless you need to display your data in a tabular format.
You don't need tables to display stuff in a tabular format, in fact, you don't need tables at all.

Div's with CSS classes do the same thing, but better.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:44 PM   #13
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To an extent. But when displaying large quantity of data withmultiple columns that flow, it's much easier with tables and less code than with div's and css.

I agree tho, for most cases div's and css all the way.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:45 PM   #14
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Easier, yes, but better, no.
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:45 PM   #15
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Will, if you think youre so hot (which you are ) think you can make that format into whatever the hell youre talking about?

I just wanna give my page a fresh, professional look, something simple, and easy for me to update (add product news etc..) fairly often.
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I'm a big fan of div and css, but how is it better when displaying a spreadsheet like page of data with 30 columns and you want it to expand with the browser size?
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Old 10-18-2004, 05:58 PM   #18
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I love this debate... over... and over... and over...

The W3C will tell you that tables were intended to be used for tabular data as grim suggests, and their latest spec still reflects this practice.
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I've been doing web design and primarily HTML production over the past 4 years professionally, and really the bottom line is it doesn't matter what you use for layout as long as it:

1: Is compatible and looks the same in every browser.
2: Is easily viewable and understandable in the source.
3: Gets the job done.

The result is the most important part. When you're developing for a company they aren't going to say "Holy crap, your navigation is in a table not a bunch of DIV tags" they're going to say "hey that looks good and it works on my Mac"

The CSS route is more flexible, but as long as the end product looks good and works, using tables isn't going to send you to hell. I still use tables more often because I can work with them faster and easier and know exactly how they'll behave. The code for tables also often ends up being smaller (not that it matters much in the world of broadband)
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