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Old 10-25-2004, 01:35 PM   #1
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Unhappy When you crash your SUV into the water... call 911... not your friends please.

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/25/nj.....ap/index.html

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Three drown in SUV accident
Trapped women frantically called friend

Monday, October 25, 2004 Posted: 8:35 AM EDT (1235 GMT)



NEWARK, New Jersey (AP) -- Three women returning from a birthday party drowned when the driver lost control of a Jeep Cherokee and went off the road, plunging into a river as the women frantically called a friend on a cell phone instead of dialing 911.

Trapped inside the sinking SUV, the women were unable to tell their friend where they were and although their friend scrambled to use another phone to call police, authorities didn't immediately know where the vehicle had ended up.

"They had us on the line while they were talking to the individual in the car," Newark police Detective Todd McClendon said. "They were unclear on where they were."

Within minutes of the accident, witnesses called 911 but police conceded that they might not have been able to save the trio even if they knew the exact location of the SUV.

"Due to the depth of the water and the rapid descent into the river, a successful rescue would have required a dive team in the water at the location and time of the incident," Newark Police Director Anthony F. Ambrose said in a statement.

Rafael Miranda said he saw the Jeep go off the road and into the water. He grabbed a flashlight and ran to the vehicle, banging on its roof and windows as he attempted to free the victims.

"I tried and I tried and I tried, but I couldn't do it," Miranda said. "They were conscious. They were screaming, screaming 'Help me, help me!"'

Investigators are trying to determine what caused the driver to lose control around 4:30 a.m. ET Sunday, police said. The SUV landed in 35 feet of water in the Passaic River.

The women had attended a birthday party in Jersey City on Saturday night. "We all had the best time at the party. Everybody was happy, eating, dancing and then this," said Hazel Booker, a friend.

The dead were identified as Nicole Floyd, 34, who worked at a drug rehabilitation center; Gail Williams, 35, a homeless shelter counselor; and Monique Hawkins, 39, a nurse's aide, all of whom lived in Newark.
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Old 10-25-2004, 01:49 PM   #2
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Why didn't they get out of the car?
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Old 10-25-2004, 01:51 PM   #3
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Why didn't they get out of the car?
Ya no kidding, what the hell is wrong with people?
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Old 10-25-2004, 01:52 PM   #4
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Why didn't they get out of the car?


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Old 10-25-2004, 02:04 PM   #5
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Sounds like they needed one of those little hammers you can buy from Skymall.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:09 PM   #6
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Christ.

Wait for the car to fill with water, open doors, float to surface. And most of all, don't panic.

I feel truely sorry for the guy who stopped to help. Now he has the memory of them sitting there screaming for help and he was unable to do anything. I don't think I could live with that in my head.

And condolences to the families of the three women as well.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:10 PM   #7
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F'ing shame.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:11 PM   #8
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Sounds like they needed one of those little hammers you can buy from Skymall.
They wanted to but couldn't afford one after buying the plexiglass kayak.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:11 PM   #9
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Some peope think they can't get out of a car if the power locks fail.. forgetting they can manually press the unlock thingamabob.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:12 PM   #10
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Christ.

Wait for the car to fill with water, open doors, float to surface. And most of all, don't panic...
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:12 PM   #11
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Yeah, why didnt they open the door? But that would suck. A lot.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:13 PM   #12
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Why didn't they get out of the car?
The RE-92s caused the doors and windows to seal shut and made all the glass unbreakable.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:14 PM   #13
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:18 PM   #14
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Christ.

Wait for the car to fill with water, open doors, float to surface. And most of all, don't panic.

I feel truely sorry for the guy who stopped to help. Now he has the memory of them sitting there screaming for help and he was unable to do anything. I don't think I could live with that in my head.

And condolences to the families of the three women as well.
bzzzt wrong.

This is a common misperception. If your doors are closed, you can't "wait for the car to fill with water so the pressure will equalize."

The car will continue to sink, and outside pressure will continue to increase. You can't open the doors until the car HITS THE BOTTOM, AND SITS THERE FOR A MINUTE.

Your best bet is the windows, roll 'em down or kick out the windshield. In fact, panicking and trying to get out immediately will save your life more often than waiting patiently for the pressure to equalize.

Top Gear taught me something
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:21 PM   #15
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Christ.

Wait for the car to fill with water, open doors, float to surface. And most of all, don't panic.

I feel truely sorry for the guy who stopped to help. Now he has the memory of them sitting there screaming for help and he was unable to do anything. I don't think I could live with that in my head.

And condolences to the families of the three women as well.
Actually, no. You will die if you try this. Here is why.


Not only does the vehicle need to fill up with water, but the pressure needs to equalize. This will take several minutes AFTER your vehicle both fills up AND reaches the bottom of the river/lake/pool. This is why people die anyway.

They tested this on TopGear. Thats why I know.

Edit: crap, you got that in while I was typing this. hehehe...
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:24 PM   #16
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bzzzt wrong.

This is a common misperception. If your doors are closed, you can't "wait for the car to fill with water so the pressure will equalize."

The car will continue to sink, and outside pressure will continue to increase. You can't open the doors until the car HITS THE BOTTOM, AND SITS THERE FOR A MINUTE.

Your best bet is the windows, roll 'em down or kick out the windshield. In fact, panicking and trying to get out immediately will save your life more often than waiting patiently for the pressure to equalize.

Top Gear taught me something
Upon impact with water roll windows down, swim out;
Upon impact with water open door, swim out;
Car/SUV goes under water, roll window down, swim out;
Crawl to back of the wagon/suv and open/release rear hatch, swim out;
Kick side glass breaking it, swim out;
Sit and call friends/family/911 on cell phones, die;
Panic, die.

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Old 10-25-2004, 02:24 PM   #17
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Yup.

Hammond was able to force his door open while the car was just starting to sink. That worked well, and he's not a big guy.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:28 PM   #18
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Janq,

When I say "panic" I mean like "guy panic," i.e. going into a frenzy of activity and adrenaline boosted strength, lashing out and trying to escape as your survival instincts take over.

Not "girl panic," i.e. call Janine and cry "help me help me."
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:29 PM   #19
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They're either drunk or idiots.
Either way, they're not missed.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:29 PM   #20
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:33 PM   #21
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They're either drunk or idiots.
Either way, they're not missed.
that seems a bit extreme... people have accidents all the time (alcohol involved or not)... and people in unknown dangerous situations often panic.
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:36 PM   #22
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Either way, they're not missed.
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Yep, good riddance
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:37 PM   #23
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Janq,

When I say "panic" I mean like "guy panic," i.e. going into a frenzy of activity and adrenaline boosted strength, lashing out and trying to escape as your survival instincts take over.

Not "girl panic," i.e. call Janine and cry "help me help me."
Agreed and understood.
Both types of 'panic' will and do get people hurt if not outright killed.

Panic = Increased chace of death
Alarm followed by focused thought aka being 'quick on your feet' = Increased chance of survival

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Old 10-25-2004, 02:48 PM   #24
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Old 10-25-2004, 02:52 PM   #25
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Yeah, it's really easy for us to sit here and criticize three women for not being able to escape from a sinking SUV. It's not fair to compare this situation to what happened on TOP GEAR or any other PLANNED DEMONSTRATION. It's a lot easier to do the right thing when you've rehearsed it, you know it's coming, and you've got a safety crew standing by just a few feet away.

Imagine being a passenger in a vehicle you're unfamiliar with, coming home from a party (probably drunk), not a care in the world, and probably not in the sharpest state of mind. Suddenly, you're trapped in a Houdini-esque life-and-death escape act that you didn't rehearse. It only takes a little panic and a mouthful of water to end your life. Whether we'll admit it or not, we all panic. The trick is having mentally prepared yourself for the situation beforehand—even then, the lack of control over your situation would be enough to make many people lose it when it happens for real.
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