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Old 10-26-2004, 06:02 PM   #1
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Old 10-26-2004, 06:04 PM   #2
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Old 10-26-2004, 06:14 PM   #3
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At an autocross? It's illegal to use anything but your feet. Unless you are handicapped, and I doubt that's the case if you are riding a skateboard.
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Old 10-26-2004, 06:26 PM   #4
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Could I take my RC on it? Just for fun? --Question asking the AutoX pros?
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Old 10-26-2004, 06:26 PM   #5
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I've carried my scooter before. Seems silly to me as I'd usually be doing, oh, 5-20 times faster in a vehicle that was a good 5 feet wider when I was running. But oh well, I'm not THAT lazy.
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Old 10-26-2004, 06:28 PM   #6
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Yeah autocross (oops should have mentioned that). I've seen people riding bikes before they were def. not handicapped.
I just want to get more walks in a shorter period, I don't want to run.
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Old 10-26-2004, 07:41 PM   #7
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we had this exact same discussion at our previous local event, I'm not sure on scca rulings, but i would def like to see the course at a quicker pace than my feet. I do however like to stand around and try to get a good view of the lines through all of the corners. I would ask the people who run your local event and see what they have to say.
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Old 10-26-2004, 07:49 PM   #8
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It would seem not to be fair for you to get more "walks" in ... ? Although at our local level wouldn't seem to be a big deal ... but YOU know some of our members ... and I don't like getting yelled at in public! On the other hand I'm pretty sure I've seen various "elite" drivers on bikes saving some time ... but maybe I've only seen them try it once ....

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Old 10-26-2004, 08:18 PM   #9
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It would seem not to be fair for you to get more "walks" in ... ?
Easy for you to say since you designed the last few.

I've seen one of the Berry girls riding a bike, I think it used to be more prevelant. Well I guess there's one way to find out and if I incur the wrath of Renee so be it. (of course I talk big on teh intardweb) we'll see in real life.
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Old 10-26-2004, 11:18 PM   #10
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bah! ill bring my scooter at the next event that i attend, everyone seems so friendly i dont see why not its not like i'll be beating anyones time anytime soon =-)
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Old 10-26-2004, 11:29 PM   #11
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There is a specific rule in the SCCA rulebook prohibiting it. Specifically if someone uses something other than their feet, they are dsq'd.
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Old 10-27-2004, 12:00 AM   #12
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it's probably ok for our regional event
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Old 10-27-2004, 12:26 AM   #13
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As long as your not running for season points at a regional event you can probably get away with it unless everyone starts doing it. Just dont go trying it at a national tour.
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Old 10-27-2004, 02:16 AM   #14
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Do you know what a mess it would be if eveyone is out there on bikes, scooters, skateboards, rollerblades, RC cars, etc.
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Old 10-27-2004, 03:12 AM   #15
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I want to see someone do it on a Segway.
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Old 10-27-2004, 07:42 AM   #16
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There is a specific rule in the SCCA rulebook prohibiting it. Specifically if someone uses something other than their feet, they are dsq'd.
Yep. In SCCA rules... you're supposed to be on your feet. However, some SCCA regions don't care. Some non-scca clubs don't care. The local BMW club doesn't care, I ride my bike.

Ask the event chair if it's OK before you actually go out and do it.
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Old 10-27-2004, 07:42 AM   #17
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There is a specific rule in the SCCA rulebook prohibiting it. Specifically if someone uses something other than their feet, they are dsq'd.
This cracks me up. And you wonder why the SCCA events in my area suck and you only get three runs for the day.

The club I run with prefers it. The course layout is typicall ~ 1 mile long, and the course times can vary from 1:30 to 2:30 depending on the design.

Trying to get everyone to walk it delays things too long. We typically have 8 runs per event.

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Old 10-27-2004, 09:12 AM   #18
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I don't wonder why you get only 3 runs...probably due to poor organization.

Doesn't mean you have to follow the rule. Here it's more of a safety concern than anything else. Most of our events have between 170-200 people. There are a ton of people walking the course at any one time. Still do six runs. Most of our courses are >1 minute long as well, you just have to get there early to walk it or you are SOL.
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Even if your event chief allows it, the safety stewards likely will not. Generally, no skateboards, scooters, skates, or any other wheeled devices that you do not "sit on" are permitted at an SCCA-sanctioned event (anywhere on site).
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Old 10-27-2004, 09:36 AM   #20
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I have been "spoken to" about skateboarding the course at an SCCA auto-X. I made it about 3 gates before someone mentioned it to me.

I actually prefer skateboarding to bicycle for track walking (road course). I find that I pick up a lot more details of the road on skateboard than bicycle....things like it's a lot steeper downhill from turns 1 to 2 at Watkins Glen than it appears, and you can get going REALLY fast before having to bail on the outside of the track so you don't hit the guard rail going straight off at 2.
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Old 10-27-2004, 09:49 AM   #21
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This cracks me up. And you wonder why the SCCA events in my area suck and you only get three runs for the day.
Paul... you know what cracks me up? When people say things like fact when they haven't even been because they base what they do in life on other people heresay.

When was the last time you even ATTENDED a local SCCA event? Oh.. that's right... at LEAST three years ago (Yes, I went back to 2002.. and.. no results for you).

Of our 8 events last year. 2 of them had 3 runs. 3 of them 6, and 3 of them had 4. We have about 170-200 per event, which is the most for any club that runs at this location. The course layout we can use is not condusive to having more than 3 cars on at a time on the mile long course.

Some clubs that run at the same location have much less of a turn out, or aren't as safety conscious as the local SCCA region. So it's more of a safety issue than a 'they suck' issue. When less people turn out, we can have more runs.

So, some people would rather just say 'they suck' when they don't understand what the club has to work with.

Also, the agreement that all clubs have with the proprty owners (it's in the contract) is that street cars shouldn't be breaking 60-65 mph. Yet.. in there are clubs there that are running at much higher speeds in their 'street cars'. It's only a matter of time before these clubs ruin it for everyone that uses the site.. which is basically the ONLY site in New England that isn't a little postage stamp of a lot. And there's going to be a lot of pissed off people at that club if they do ruin it for everyone involved.

So, it's not a matter of organization, it's not a matter of sucking, it's doing what we can with the amount of entries we get in a given day.

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I don't wonder why you get only 3 runs...probably due to poor organization.

Doesn't mean you have to follow the rule. Here it's more of a safety concern than anything else. Most of our events have between 170-200 people. There are a ton of people walking the course at any one time. Still do six runs. Most of our courses are >1 minute long as well, you just have to get there early to walk it or you are SOL.
Our courses are greater than 1 minute also but the layout of Devens is not ideal. It's 4 runways layed out as a a square with the farthest point being a half mile away. In the middle of this square is all grass. So, it takes too much time for worker changeover to get 6 runs in, in a 3 and 3 format. Most regions run in huge square open lots ... I wish there was some place in New England that big that could host an event. But we can only do with what we got.

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Old 10-27-2004, 10:03 AM   #22
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For open track events.....well, with COM in New England, the open wheels would put your into an FP class. You'll need a full fire suit, gloves, shoes, balacava and face shield to ride your skateboard. Otherwise, I see no problem. If you do a full lap at LRP with COM in november fully legal like that, lunch is on me!



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Whatever KC. There you go again reading into what I said and spewing your opinion all over the place trying to make me look like a moron.

1. I still think the SCCA events locally suck. Why you ask:
a. People like you there
b. the stupid rules like the one this topic is discussing

You sign a waiver at the event, so what are they so "worried about" if your on a skateboard or bike, or walking? Forget I asked that, because I have no intention of reading your silly 3 page expanation as to why.

I don't know why you are bringing up the speed issues at Devens. It has nothing to do with me or the club I run with as far as I know. I certainly don't break the speed requirments, and I know the organizers are doing their best to design safe courses that meet the regulations.

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Old 10-27-2004, 10:13 AM   #24
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i thought it was more of a courtesy thing to your fellow racers to walk, so your not running into people going quicker than them on your wheeled device.
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Old 10-27-2004, 10:15 AM   #25
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Paul, I hear it time and time again "SCCA in New England Sucks" You're just the person that's causing me to finally say something about it. (You think i"m implying you're a moron? Huh? No.. just rebutting and explaining.. you're the one that started the mud sligning saying that the local region sucks becuase they only get three runs.. you're entitled to that opinion.. but you need to allow for a rebuttal to your 'fact'.)

"People like me being there" what does that mean? A person that voluenteers to instruct? A person that can fill almost any postion to keep the event running, and is where he needs to be? A person that helps the club run, instead of someone that just shows up and complains with things don't go as expected? I don't get what you're implying.

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The waiver you sign does not mean you sign away all your rights but it does say you are aware of what is going on. Primarily it kicks in the insurance coverage. If you are injured, you are covered - it is secondary to your own health/accident policy, but has a multi-million dollar upper limit. If you hurt your car the event insurance does not cover that, but does cover SCCA's liability for any damage.
By limiting the clubs exposure or risk if someone should hurt themselves is ultimately why there's that rule. The SCCA is a big organization. Someone like you, if you hurt yourself, can surely turn around and collect insurance money if you hurt yourself.

The "no bikes/skateboards, whatever" is limiting the exposure to a claim being levied against the club.

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