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Old 11-03-2004, 11:41 AM   #1
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Default okay so the MR is out, the STi is in trouble, are they gonna make the S202 for the v8

okay so the MR is out, the STi is in trouble, are they gonna make the S202 for the version 8's to compete, or some other form of the STi that will dominate the evo??
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Old 11-03-2004, 11:46 AM   #2
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Probably not. They can barely sell the STis in the country right now, let alne bringing a more expensive version here.
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Old 11-03-2004, 12:02 PM   #3
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I really fail to see two things:
1) Why Subaru should be concerned about the MR. Yes, it is better than the Evo, but the STi still dominates it. Just not by such a large margin.

2) Why this was posted in Interior & Exterior Modification & Care
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Old 11-03-2004, 12:05 PM   #4
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^^My thoughts exactly.
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Old 11-03-2004, 12:08 PM   #5
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^^ cuz hes a tard
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:40 PM   #6
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Huh?

Have you see any of the '05 sti vs. mr comparos yet? Methinks you are confused. How is the sti "in trouble"?
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:36 PM   #7
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It's still STi = power, refinement, EVO (MR or otherwise) = handling.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:38 PM   #8
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sti had an edge over the normal evo in power, now they just closed the gap inbetween with the power just a tab and put more into suspension. But then i think the STI in 05 had some new aluminum suspension parts that made it up to par.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:18 PM   #9
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I can't see subaru importing another version of teh sti. I do see a bigger hp gains and redifiendments in 2006 -07 to combat the evo mr.
Like it was stated before it took mitsubishy to introduce a special version of the evo8 to even come close to teh Sti spec #.

even though evo8=better handler
Sti =power and aggresion.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:20 PM   #10
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once again, how is the STi in trouble?
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:24 PM   #11
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The Motortrend Evo v's 05 STI review should have told you all you need to know.
The track time difference between the MR and STI was marginal, and the STI is easier to live with day to day.
2 great cars, and the handling difference is not a huge as some people make out.
The 05 changes really did fix the earlier STI short commings.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:26 PM   #12
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The MR is not as impressive as most people think (granted it is an excellent car).

The only thing you really get with the MR is the 6 speed tranny, the BBS rims, and the Bilsteins, which is definately not worth $8k more than an RS, which weighs 100 lbs less, and has the same engine.

Instead of buying an MR, if people bough the RS and spent $8k on mods for it then STi owners might have something to worry about.

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once again, how is the STi in trouble?
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:28 PM   #13
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1) Why Subaru should be concerned about the MR. Yes, it is better than the Evo, but the STi still dominates it. Just not by such a large margin.

I love both cars. evo and sti.. and yes the sti is faster then the evo. but the evo mr and sti are equally as great in speed... i believe it was car and driver who calculated it... i say hands down its a dead even race.. handling just goes to the evo.. but its nothing subaru can't imporve one
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:28 PM   #14
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The MR is not as impressive as most people think (granted it is an excellent car).

The only thing you really get with the MR is the 6 speed tranny, the BBS rims, and the Bilsteins, which is definately not worth $8k more than an RS, which weighs 100 lbs less, and has the same engine.

Instead of buying an MR, if people bough the RS and spent $8k on mods for it then STi owners might have something to worry about.

Otherwise:
Or at that price, a Corvette.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:59 PM   #15
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once again, how is the STi in trouble?
Because the n00bs that buy them can't brag to their friends how their STi is teh fastArest anymore!

one!

Other than mag racers, no one cares (maybe autocross folk, should be interesting to see if the MR can be successful with a 6 speed).

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Old 11-03-2004, 05:10 PM   #16
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Beside the fact that you'll be lucky to see an MR anyway, only a few hundred are coming over. To me the EVO GSR = WRX, the MR is closer to the STi. Or in other words the MR is how the GSR should have been.

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Old 11-03-2004, 05:17 PM   #17
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what is in europe? the MR FQ332091 or somthin or other? it all comes down to opinion and if you plan on driving it every day.

any 25,000 dollar car without power windows or locks is cool

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Old 11-03-2004, 05:45 PM   #18
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Quote:
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okay so the MR is out, the STi is in trouble, are they gonna make the S202 for the version 8's to compete, or some other form of the STi that will dominate the evo??
Oh crap! I'm getting rid of my STi and getting an SRT-4.

no, wait...
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Old 11-03-2004, 05:47 PM   #19
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i can't wait for dodge to comeout with something to compete with the MR!!

i can see the commercial now

"Teh SRT-4 is now officially Te....nvm

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Old 11-03-2004, 06:34 PM   #20
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Hmmm, member# >65,000. How surprising.
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Old 11-03-2004, 07:44 PM   #21
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I don't know why anyone would want a car based off of a front wheel driveline. The reason why the MR handles better is because of the above mentioned info. The Lancer is a front drive car. Mitsu put an electronic sensor to put power to the rear wheels. The STi is a rear drive biased car. Plus, why would you want to pay an additional $5,000 plus dealer markup for an MR? I admit they are nice, but I like the STi a lot better.
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Old 11-03-2004, 08:33 PM   #22
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I don't know why anyone would want a car based off of a front wheel driveline. The reason why the MR handles better is because of the above mentioned info. The Lancer is a front drive car. Mitsu put an electronic sensor to put power to the rear wheels. The STi is a rear drive biased car. Plus, why would you want to pay an additional $5,000 plus dealer markup for an MR? I admit they are nice, but I like the STi a lot better.
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Old 11-03-2004, 09:37 PM   #23
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Quote:
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I don't know why anyone would want a car based off of a front wheel driveline. The reason why the MR handles better is because of the above mentioned info. The Lancer is a front drive car. Mitsu put an electronic sensor to put power to the rear wheels. The STi is a rear drive biased car. Plus, why would you want to pay an additional $5,000 plus dealer markup for an MR? I admit they are nice, but I like the STi a lot better.
So...

Mitsu put an electronic sensor...and bingo you got RWD?

And the STi is a rear drive biased car?


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Old 11-03-2004, 10:16 PM   #24
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Actually yes it is. I can not find anything to refute that the STi is a rear biased car. Especially since I drive around in manual mode all the time. I don't think the MR is really any worse in terms of their AWD system though.
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Old 11-03-2004, 11:37 PM   #25
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First of all there is no threat to the STI, they are selling and are no way in trouble.

On the other hand, have you guys seen the track numbers the MR puts down? OR anyone see the Top Gear where they raced the PRODRIVE P1 STI vs EVO MR and the MR destroyed it? IIRC it even beat the 300k Ferrari 360 Challenge. The thing is a total beast on the track, and would likely equal if not beat an STI. Slower to 60 and in the 1/4 cause of the six speed, but handles and drives like on rails.

Im not trying to defend the doomed mitsubishi, but you cant deny that this car is real fast. 4g63 and a pretty hot looking body, still wouldnt take it over and STI though...
Testers said that on paper the car is not much different from the regular EVO, but driving it is night and day...
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