Water injection with Hydra?

[stevesparts]

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[treefrogaz]

Hell yeah water injection time

[ejh25]

Absolutely! My motor parts are almost all here and I can't wait for everything to go in. Perfect timing on the Hydramist! Crazy power from pump gas is exactly what I'm looking for!

[Element Tuning]

Ok guys this is the moment you've been waiting for...........

The Element Hydramist is $699. I'm going to put up a post on the water injection forum next week listing all the details etc but I thought I would give this group first notice. You may ask questions here also.

If you want to reserve and Element Hydramist please email sales@elementtuning and put Hydramist in the subject line. Please include your contact information as I will be contacting you for a deposit. Don't call me this week as I'm in Canada tuning and I'll just ignore you

I think this goes without saying but the Element Hydramist kit is specifically for those with the Hydra EMS.

Thanks for your patience!
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

[jblaine]

Sent

[jblaine]

Questions:

1. Does the Hydramist require the Element Tuning EMS aux harness? If so, is that included in the price?

2. What failsafe mechanisms come with the Hydramist and how do each of them interact with the Hydra maps?

3. Aquamist kits, to my knowledge, use a special pump they had developed for reliability concerns. Does the Hydramist use this same pump or at least one based on the same technology?

[stevesparts]

sent info for one...Thanxs!!!
Steve.

[offset]

Email sent!!

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[48mpg]

oh man, do i or dont i,

GT65 w/hydramist EM,

i have one foot in and one foot out on this one guys,

cant wait to see everyone's results

[InfamousDX]

Wow... sweet pricing. Not as bad as I thought. If i didn't get my smc at a great deal, i'd do this.

maybe after i get my setup up and running and bring it to Element to get tuned... I'm sure I'll be convinced

[ejh25]

Originally Posted by Element Tuning

Ok guys this is the moment you've been waiting for...........

The Element Hydramist will have an introductory price of $659 to the first group of purchasers. After this group the price wil increase to $699. I'm going to put up a post on the water injection forum next week listing all the details etc but I thought I would give this group first notice. You may ask questions here also.

If you want to reserve and Element Hydramist at the discounted price please email sales@elementtuning and put Hydramist in the subject line. Please include your contact information as I will be contacting you for a deposit. Don't call me this week as I'm in Canada tuning and I'll just ignore you

I think this goes without saying but the Element Hydramist kit is specifically for those with the Hydra EMS.

Thanks for your patience!
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

Just emailed you. I'm definitely in!

[Element Tuning]

Everything is still on track guys. My intention was to have the Hydramist webpage done this week but I haven't been able to finish it. I'll keep working on it over the weekend which will contain specifics and pictures. Hopefully it will be ready Monday.

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

[THE-95-STi]

Phil I'd Like to Reserve a Kit for $660, oh and I need Help

[jblaine]

http://www.elementtuning.com/

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[jblaine]

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Originally Posted by jblaine

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I assume this post is to show some impatience?? It is taking forever for this thing to show up, and I am still waiting (and boy is it a good thing I have loads of patience). But hopefully what they say is true about the good things are worth waiting for. Anyone else got a response from Phil yet on this?

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[jblaine]

Yes

He was going to update the web page 10 days ago, so I am hassling. I hope his absence isn't due to something bad.

[supermarkus]

It's because he is here tuning cars in Seattle. Sorry.

[Element Tuning]

Sorry guys, the product is still on schedule but I'm not. I've been in Seattle tuning all week and got stuck an extra day. Voicemail is full and well I need a Minime

I've made zero progress on finishing the webpage but I assure you the kits are on schedule. Since I'm behind on the webpage for the foreseeable future ask me questions here instead.

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

[WhiteKnight]

Phil,

Do you get my mails and pm's ?

I know you are busy, i dont want to disturb but waiting for your reply,

Thanks

[THE-95-STi]

Originally Posted by Element Tuning

Ok guys this is the moment you've been waiting for...........

The Element Hydramist will have an introductory price of $659 to the first group of purchasers. www.elementtuning.com

Email sent, also any luck on a map for my 816cc Injectors

[entropy138]

Originally Posted by jblaine

Questions:

1. Does the Hydramist require the Element Tuning EMS aux harness? If so, is that included in the price?

2. What failsafe mechanisms come with the Hydramist and how do each of them interact with the Hydra maps?

3. Aquamist kits, to my knowledge, use a special pump they had developed for reliability concerns. Does the Hydramist use this same pump or at least one based on the same technology?

Here are some questions that I'm curious about as well.

[Element Tuning]

Originally Posted by jblaine

Questions:

1. Does the Hydramist require the Element Tuning EMS aux harness? If so, is that included in the price?

2. What failsafe mechanisms come with the Hydramist and how do each of them interact with the Hydra maps?

3. Aquamist kits, to my knowledge, use a special pump they had developed for reliability concerns. Does the Hydramist use this same pump or at least one based on the same technology?

1. No it does not however if you already have the Element Tuning Aux Harness you will not need to do any wiring at the ecu since the kit not only contains the launch control, flat-shift, and anti-lag wires it also includes the WI wire and the Aux Map wire. If you have no desire for those items the Hydramist kit will contain just the WI and Map switch wires.

2. The biggest problems we encountered in the early stages of development was that there were too many chefs in the kitchen. The system had to be simplified as this would ultimately make it more reliable. When we originally conceived the kit it utilized a custom electronics and an FIA2 system. What we found were lots of conflicts between that system, the DDS3, and the Hydra. At this point we’ve completely eliminated the FIA2 system and stuck with customized DDS3 and the Hydra.

The systems primary failsafe criteria are water flow, water level, map switching, and boost. A sensor is placed after the water injector and just before the misting nozzles located in your intake. This turbine sensor sends information to the Hydramist DDS3 gauge and control unit.



The amount of water flow in CCs is shown on the gauge. The system can then be tuned to activate within and acceptable window of water flow. For instance if your pump is failing or your nozzles become clogged you will get a low CC water flow rate which will be displayed on the gauge. Let say your setup once tuned is designed to flow 350cc of water but the sensors are only reading 150 cc. You could set your low fault (WL) to recognize this a problem which would then send a signal to the Hydra to revert to the pump gas mapping and drop your boost (optional). Now if your water flow is north of your window (WH) and hits 450cc then this likely a sign a water line is cracked or broken which sends a signal to the Hydra the same as above. The gauge will display the water flow rate and if the system is normal or faulty by illuminating a light (B). There is also a water level sensor you can install in your tank which when the water level is too low deactivates the system and reverts the map. The is displayed by illuminating the water level light.

Under all fault conditions the system is shut down to prevent and damage to the pumps. Also the Hydramist DDS3 has a main power button which allows you to turn the system on and off. The process of turning off the Hydramist DDS3 reverts the Hydra to the standard pump gas maps.

3. From the beginning we knew the standard Aquamist Race Pump would not have enough water flow to handle the typical Hydra EMS customer so we set out for a solution. Richard Lamb from Aquamist and I discussed the pros and cons of the available pumps, the cost of running 3 Aquamist Race Pumps and decided it was best to come up with something new specifically for the Hydramist. Richard had designed a new pump based on a Shurflo pump, made his modifications and bench tested it non-stop. Once he was satisfied the new design performed to his standards he sent it to me for testing. This was the solution I was looking for and solved the problems typically associated with some of the Shurflo pump designs. Because the pump is larger than the race pump installation is more limited but honestly mounting 2 to 3 Race Pumps wouldn’t be any easier. This new pump has been tested for about 8 months on our Time Attack WRX and it what we are now waiting for from Shurflo. The main criteria that needed to be addressed with the development of this new pump was to ensure the pump could run at constant pressure for extended periods of time and to ensure water delivery speed.

I hope this helps.

Thanks,
Phil
(240)246.0302
http://www.elementtuning.com

[ejh25]

Awesome!!! I am looking forward to having that Aquamist guage on my dash.

[THE-95-STi]

Originally Posted by ejh25

Awesome!!! I am looking forward to having that Aquamist guage on my dash.

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What size is the guage going to be??