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Old 12-28-2004, 02:08 PM   #251
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Isis: To answer your question simply: Yes it does! This replaces the rails entirely therefore no more leaks, no risk of fire, and no more annoying smell. If you have questions about the installation just let us know. Thanks again for your interest!

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Old 12-28-2004, 03:44 PM   #252
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That is another good feature of the fuel rails, they won't leak fuel or smell ever. That is the beauty of the TEFLON SS hose we use, they don't emit vapor at all, like some rubber ones do, and they hold tons of pressure, liturally tons.

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Old 12-29-2004, 03:35 PM   #253
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One thing for NASIOC to think about for the Holiday weekend.

We from time to time get suggestions about products and how they look, or how they should work. If there is anything that people would like to see different, like colors, finishes, features, please let us know.

Unlike manufactures, we don't have to rely on overseas designs, limitations or shipping delays to get things designed or made.

Love to hear some suggestions!

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Old 12-29-2004, 03:38 PM   #254
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Hmm.. i wounldnt mind seeing the rear sway bar for a wrx in a different color then black. Maybe blue or red? Some sort of paint that wouldnt wear off?

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Old 12-29-2004, 03:42 PM   #255
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CAI for people with FMIC's.

Also how does the Perrin FM compare to the Turboxs FM. Is it good / reccomended to run an oil cooler with a FPgreen?
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Old 12-29-2004, 03:56 PM   #256
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I know you guys do mostly performance, but what about factory wheel centers for the WRX?

Mine were missing when I bought the car and I haven't found replacements anywhere. Some "Perrin" ones that fastened from the back of the wheel (anti-theft) would be sweet. . . I know, most people replace the wheels, but if you've ever seen the snow and potholes in Pittsburgh, you'd understand.
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Old 12-29-2004, 05:01 PM   #257
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I have ordered a Perrin up-pipe, and see that others prefer TurboXS or Crucial brand or at least having their steel ones done with a ceramic coating...
This leads me to wonder about the longevity of this installed as is....
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:38 PM   #258
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I don't see why you would have problems with your uppipe. Those are other brands people are familiar with, but does not mean that they are better. Ceramic coat your perrin uppipe if it makes you sleep better, but I don't have an issue with my scoobysport uppipe without a coating.
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:44 PM   #259
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How about auxilary hoses in different colors?
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Old 12-29-2004, 09:30 PM   #260
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Saunders,
You got it! red it is! All new swaybars are going to be red! That was something we already had in the works, so be on the look out!

unkadave,
CAI's for FMIC's most likly won't happen only because of the fitment issues with them. Since many of the FMIC's go through the front or back hole on that side of the car, there is not going to be a perfect CAI. The beauty of the SR is that you can rotate it in many directions to clear whatever boost tube is in the way.

The FM comparison could be a long one, but the quick notes are:
Bigger core, stronger/stiffer bumper beam, shorter boost tubes, better sized piping for optimum HP/Lag, smoother transition from the turbo to the first boost tube, fills opening in bumper, new cast endtanks, allows the use of the stock BOV, are some of them.

If there are any suggestions about our FMIC, like colored boost tubes, or whatever, let us know!

Oil cooler, is definatley recommended for track use where oil temps can get to 250+degrees! Oil coolers are not that far away from being a product you can buy from us. Say mid next year or so.

isis,
you are first to ask for wheel centers, all i can say is the more people ask the sooner it will get done. Right now there are no plans, but who knows in the future!

rickeolis,
There are always going to be those people that say this one is better than that one. Time in production, should show you the durability of our part. Also have you noticed how we were the first to eliminate that stupid factory EGT bung, and now everyone copies that feature? Also notice how the bends are very similar??? The copied feature should show you that we make it the right way and always have.

The ceramic coating is a good idea to keep the heat inside the tube. This is something we have played around with and have actually made a few for customers. I would guess that adding an additional $50 to the uppipe would get it professionally ceramic coated. Once again the more we hear people say "i want the ceramic version" the sooner we start selling them. To give you an idea on time frame for a new release like that, it could be something we start selling in less that 3 weeks. Not 60 days like a part from China might take!

nos,
Exactly right, not needed, but surely something that won't hurt.

enewtabie,
When you say auxillery hoses, are you talking about all the small vacuum lines and coolant lines?? We have actually thought about this too, but to compete with SAMCO on this is pretty tuff. But things change!

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Old 12-29-2004, 09:31 PM   #261
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Great questions and needs so far, lets keep'em coming!
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Old 12-29-2004, 10:20 PM   #262
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Saunders,
You got it! red it is! All new swaybars are going to be red! That was something we already had in the works, so be on the look out!

unkadave,
CAI's for FMIC's most likly won't happen only because of the fitment issues with them. Since many of the FMIC's go through the front or back hole on that side of the car, there is not going to be a perfect CAI. The beauty of the SR is that you can rotate it in many directions to clear whatever boost tube is in the way.

The FM comparison could be a long one, but the quick notes are:
Bigger core, stronger/stiffer bumper beam, shorter boost tubes, better sized piping for optimum HP/Lag, smoother transition from the turbo to the first boost tube, fills opening in bumper, new cast endtanks, allows the use of the stock BOV, are some of them.

If there are any suggestions about our FMIC, like colored boost tubes, or whatever, let us know!

Oil cooler, is definatley recommended for track use where oil temps can get to 250+degrees! Oil coolers are not that far away from being a product you can buy from us. Say mid next year or so.

isis,
you are first to ask for wheel centers, all i can say is the more people ask the sooner it will get done. Right now there are no plans, but who knows in the future!

rickeolis,
There are always going to be those people that say this one is better than that one. Time in production, should show you the durability of our part. Also have you noticed how we were the first to eliminate that stupid factory EGT bung, and now everyone copies that feature? Also notice how the bends are very similar??? The copied feature should show you that we make it the right way and always have.

The ceramic coating is a good idea to keep the heat inside the tube. This is something we have played around with and have actually made a few for customers. I would guess that adding an additional $50 to the uppipe would get it professionally ceramic coated. Once again the more we hear people say "i want the ceramic version" the sooner we start selling them. To give you an idea on time frame for a new release like that, it could be something we start selling in less that 3 weeks. Not 60 days like a part from China might take!

nos,
Exactly right, not needed, but surely something that won't hurt.

enewtabie,
When you say auxillery hoses, are you talking about all the small vacuum lines and coolant lines?? We have actually thought about this too, but to compete with SAMCO on this is pretty tuff. But things change!

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Exactly,I want to be able to buy auxilary hoses that match the turbo inlet hose. What about perrin covers for the solenoid,belt housing,etc.Maybe in different colors. Heck even a wing maybe similar to the prodrive or sti that mounts in the factory holes for a good price?Just some suggestions.
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Old 12-29-2004, 10:30 PM   #263
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Jeff/Perrin,

This may fall along the lines of "Beating a dead horse", but, I would like to see more done with the Perrin Positive Steering System. I have heard that a anti-lift kit can be one of the best mods that can be done to increase a wrx's performance, especially in autoX type situations. I would much rather spend my money on a product that is made by your company versus another brand who isnt as well represented on this board. However the issues and problems that people have faced have made me weary of buying this product from you all.

If you are looking for ideas to steer your product line for next year, I would really like to see the perrin positive steering system available in an idiot proof package that guarantee an easy install with good results. Just my $0.02.

And thanks for making colored swaybars.. I just might have to trade in my black one for a colored one!


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Old 12-30-2004, 02:53 AM   #264
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High flow water pumps.

Timing belts.

Accessory Belts.
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Old 12-30-2004, 09:11 AM   #265
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Jeff,

Just wanted to say that I finally got an opportunity to install that 3" exhaust flange you sent me to stop my sway bar from hitting the exhaust; it works like a charm!!!! I tried everything I could last night to get it to bang and no matter what I did, it was silent. Thanks for the help and quick resolution. Your customer service more than proved itself with this case.

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Old 12-30-2004, 12:02 PM   #266
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As we round out the last business day of 2004 we wish to thank you all again for your valued input. We will continue to take the responses and questions form this forum well into 2005 and beyond. It is refreshing to see an owners group so vested in the products they purchase for their personal cars.

Finally, thanks again to you all for your patronage and promotion of PERRIN™ Performance Products this past year. We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you!

As always keep the questions and comments coming!

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Old 12-30-2004, 02:08 PM   #267
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enewtabie,
The hoses are something we will surely start thinking about doing.

Saunders,
You are not beating a dead horse at all. With all the mishaps people had with the PSRS installs, we have done 2 things. Improve the existing part so this cant happen, and 2 in the spring of 05 we will have another option that will have zero install issues. Don't think that that part you buy between now and then isn't good, because they are just fine, but we are answering the call of the NASIOC public to help solve install problems wiht the PSRS.

Santofontana,
The colored timing belts and accesory belts are something we most likely won't do because isn't not a part we can really make. All the ones you see from other manufactures are just relabled Gates, or some japanese one. But it is good to see that is something people are interested in. I have seen some of the colored belts at a local NAPA store, so maybe they saw your request and answered it

Subieworx,
I am glad that worked for you. Did you find out that it was the Stromung DP causing it? Thank you for helping us add another fitment confliction to our chart. This really helps us out when dealing with customers with problems and being able to diagnosis them.

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Old 12-30-2004, 02:27 PM   #268
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The hoses are something we will surely start thinking about doing.

Saunders,
You are not beating a dead horse at all. With all the mishaps people had with the PSRS installs, we have done 2 things. Improve the existing part so this cant happen, and 2 in the spring of 05 we will have another option that will have zero install issues. Don't think that that part you buy between now and then isn't good, because they are just fine, but we are answering the call of the NASIOC public to help solve install problems wiht the PSRS.

Santofontana,
The colored timing belts and accesory belts are something we most likely won't do because isn't not a part we can really make. All the ones you see from other manufactures are just relabled Gates, or some japanese one. But it is good to see that is something people are interested in. I have seen some of the colored belts at a local NAPA store, so maybe they saw your request and answered it

Subieworx,
I am glad that worked for you. Did you find out that it was the Stromung DP causing it? Thank you for helping us add another fitment confliction to our chart. This really helps us out when dealing with customers with problems and being able to diagnosis them.

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I can't confirm it was the downpipe as I did not take it off again to measure it up to stock. I have a feeling though that was the problem as I have a friend with a Stromung downpipe who is also experiencing the same problem.
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Old 12-31-2004, 02:44 PM   #269
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Happy New Year everyone!! First thing I want to point out is that all of the guys at Perrin are NEWBIES!!! Kinda funny! Anyways, I've got several questions for you guys. My car is an '04 STi, by the way.

1) When installing a rear sway bar (or front, I guess) how are the end links supposed to sit when the car is on a flat surface? Let me try to draw a picture...

/ swaybar /

| swaybar |

\ swaybar \

Also, are the endlinks gonna move around a bit to pretty much look like all of the above?

2) Perrin modded injectors. I have recently purchased a set of modded stockers (815cc) from a very well known tuner. Right now, they are doing some testing with them (which is fine by me, they won't work on a humvee) My question is: Do you flow test them? How close is one from the other? Are they too big for what I need? Are there any suggestions you could give me in regards to installation (like where to purchase new o-rings, etc...)

I have an '04 STi with TBE, headers, UTEC, Perrin crank pulley, Walbro 255lph fuel pump, and Apexi intake. When I had the car tuned, I was at 96% IDC, hence why I wanted to upgrade the injectors. (This is with just a road tune!! I didn't want to push my luck with dyno tweaks.)

3) Fuel rails. Do you recommend fuel rails for this application? Are the fuel rails along with the modded injectors a direct bolt on, or do they require......topfeed, sidefeed (I don't know any of the injector terminology.)

I hope I didn't confuse anyone. I'm not an English major by any means. I look forward to your response.

Brian

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Old 01-03-2005, 10:51 AM   #270
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Well, I've had my Perrin short ram intake for a couple of weeks now. What I have found is that the car seems to run smoother?? Yeah, I used to have a hiccup around 3500-4000 rpm. Now that's gone.As far as top horsepower increase, not sure if it's there with the butt dyno and Bltz power meter. Then again I'm using the graph feature, since the number feature is too hard to read.grrr. One thing I would like to see is some sort of heat shield like on the K&N typhoon setup. Overall, I like it, it pull better on the top end now, while the factory box seemed to run out of steam towards 6-7k. Oh, I have a cobb stage 2 setup. Yeah, they say keep the factory box, but I wan't to open up my top end better
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:27 PM   #271
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olsaltybastard,
The endlinks should be | swaybar|. Or slighty /swaybar\. There is a slight amount of left and right movement in the swaybar, but the forced isn't applied in those directions. This holds true for both front and rear.

Our Injectors are not flow tested, but go through a check to ensure there isn't any debris in them or that will effect them, and we actually check the distance the piston opens. You may have read of some people that have had problems with them and then cleaned them which fixed the problem. Since we have had a few people with this problem, we have changed our QC process and our machining process.

We have tuned another person in your same shoes, with the stock turbo with our injectors. They didn't get anymore HP, but they gained alot of headroom for more fuel. In the end is it worth it??? That is up to you. Running injectors at close to 100% isn't bad, it won't destroy the inectors, blah blah blah. Many people say don't do this because you will blow your engine up, or something. This is true if you didn't have injectors that matched our turbo. What i mean is, both the STI and WRX have small enough turbos, that when tuned to a safe AFR, they only push enough air to justify the use of the stock injectors. There is no NEED to buy bigger injectors when using the stock turbo, but any aftermarket turbo is a different story.

The modded injectors don't need fuel rails, but they are highly recommended! Yes there are many people that run lots of HP with stock rails, but how safe are they?? And how much more HP would they gain if they used our rails??

nos,
That is great it is working so well! If you have the chance to get it tuned, i would love to see a ARF plot with our SRI with the COBB reflashed ECU. This would prove how accurate our SRI is with the AFR's.

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Old 01-04-2005, 10:11 AM   #272
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i would love to see a ARF plot with our SRI with the COBB reflashed ECU. This would prove how accurate our SRI is with the AFR's.

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I'd like to see this too. . .
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:06 PM   #273
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i would like to do that too, but right now, I don't know of a good place in minneapolis area for tuning with a dyno for all wheel drive cars. But a shield for the ram would be nice, hint hint...
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i would like to do that too, but right now, I don't know of a good place in minneapolis area for tuning with a dyno for all wheel drive cars. But a shield for the ram would be nice, hint hint...
One for the CAI would also be really cool... I almost had a heart attack when I didn't see a puddle the other day. I slowed enough, thankfully.
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Old 01-04-2005, 01:48 PM   #275
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how about a larger diameter rear sway bar? i would love a beefer on for autocross.
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