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Old 11-21-2004, 07:41 PM   #101
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Three words... turbo inlet tube.... I would have to say that this is that most bull honkey piece of pain in the rear end thing to install. My up pipe on my WRX was not this bad. I am probably the most angry person in the world right now. I dont have any clue how this could be easy for some one to install... Please someone tell me that I'm not crazy and the BOV return tube is a PITA to get hooked up...

It's not easy and I also broke the TGV when installing, or removing the old inlet.

How about some more info on the new turbo kit.

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Old 11-22-2004, 07:59 AM   #102
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ok, finished last night installing the inlet pipe.... 5.5 hours later.. Mostly my fault because I dropped one of the black plastic fitting on top of the engine and spent and hour fishing it out with a duct tape covered screw driver... OH WELL, Looks nice, spools faster, sounds better. I guess it was worth all the cussing... I could probably do it in 2 hours if I had to do it again.
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Old 11-22-2004, 11:06 AM   #103
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I have a couple of different Perrin parts in my car and am very happy with them.

Recently I purchased a Perrin crank pully. I do not have an aftermarket flywheel. After a few days of having this modification done to my car I started to get cylinder 1 misfire code. I replaced all of my spark plugs (there were getting old anyway) and hoped that would get rid of the issue. I reset the ECU and drove around. After a few times driving the code is back. I have to pass emssisions soon (like this week) and can not have a CEL. Is there something I can do to fix this??

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Old 11-22-2004, 11:27 AM   #104
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Recently I purchased a Perrin crank pully. I do not have an aftermarket flywheel. After a few days of having this modification done to my car I started to get cylinder 1 misfire code. I replaced all of my spark plugs (there were getting old anyway) and hoped that would get rid of the issue. I reset the ECU and drove around. After a few times driving the code is back. I have to pass emssisions soon (like this week) and can not have a CEL. Is there something I can do to fix this??
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I put in an ACT streetlite flywheel along with RA gears. I also keep getting CEL missfire code. At random times also. Not under load, but usually during early warm up ie. babying the engine until the oil gets nice and warm. Then I read a post by unabomber about lightweight fly wheels causing missfire codes. He said to stay around 14.5 lbs. The ACT is 13.9 I think.
My fix is electricians tape over the light, ..so far.. I also have a battery dissconect key, which makes for an easy ecu reset if I need to.


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Old 11-22-2004, 11:29 AM   #105
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ok, finished last night installing the inlet pipe.... 5.5 hours later.. Mostly my fault because I dropped one of the black plastic fitting on top of the engine and spent and hour fishing it out with a duct tape covered screw driver... OH WELL, Looks nice, spools faster, sounds better. I guess it was worth all the cussing... I could probably do it in 2 hours if I had to do it again.

Sounds fun..wanna help me with mine.
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Old 11-22-2004, 11:42 AM   #106
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I have heard of that happening with the flywheels. I am curious if the engine is actually misfiring or if the ECU just thinks it is misfiring.

I keep a socket set in my car for the ECU resets. I like your switch better. You could mount it on your trunk and by NHRA legal.

I suppose I could turn off the CEL in UTEC but that seems lame.

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I put in an ACT streetlite flywheel along with RA gears. I also keep getting CEL missfire code. At random times also. Not under load, but usually during early warm up ie. babying the engine until the oil gets nice and warm. Then I read a post by unabomber about lightweight fly wheels causing missfire codes. He said to stay around 14.5 lbs. The ACT is 13.9 I think.
My fix is electricians tape over the light, ..so far.. I also have a battery dissconect key, which makes for an easy ecu reset if I need to.


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Old 11-22-2004, 11:45 AM   #107
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I have a couple of different Perrin parts in my car and am very happy with them.

Recently I purchased a Perrin crank pully. I do not have an aftermarket flywheel. After a few days of having this modification done to my car I started to get cylinder 1 misfire code. I replaced all of my spark plugs (there were getting old anyway) and hoped that would get rid of the issue. I reset the ECU and drove around. After a few times driving the code is back. I have to pass emssisions soon (like this week) and can not have a CEL. Is there something I can do to fix this??

Thanks!
As far as I know, the Perrin crank pulley should not throw a CEL. I know a couple people that have this pulley, and they have not thrown CEL's

Any chance it could be anything else? Cylander 1 misfire shouldnt be related to a lighter crank pulley. Perhaps something else went wrong...?
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Old 11-22-2004, 12:20 PM   #108
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What about designing the bends in the sway bar so they don't bang the exhaust over every bump. I am really getting tired of it. Have had the bar and you endlinks for about 11000 miles and it has done it the entire way. My friend's have starting calling it the "sway bar thunk."
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Old 11-22-2004, 02:58 PM   #109
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I have thought about that and not sure what else to check. It happened right after I installed the pully. I suppose that I could yank it out, reset the ECU and then see if it came back. It is possible that it is just exaserbating another problem and thus making it apparent to the ECU. I am not sure.


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As far as I know, the Perrin crank pulley should not throw a CEL. I know a couple people that have this pulley, and they have not thrown CEL's

Any chance it could be anything else? Cylander 1 misfire shouldnt be related to a lighter crank pulley. Perhaps something else went wrong...?
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Old 11-22-2004, 05:17 PM   #110
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Maybe Perrin can chime in, but I dont see how the pully could cause a cylander 1 misfire.... Now I dont know a lot about pulleys, but I just dont see the connection.

Check your coil packs, or try taking it off and see if the problem is solved
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Old 11-22-2004, 05:26 PM   #111
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Testing the coil packs is on the agenda for tonight. I very well might be that. It is possible that it happened at the exact same time as the pully mod. or that the pully mod made the error more pronounced.


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Maybe Perrin can chime in, but I dont see how the pully could cause a cylander 1 misfire.... Now I dont know a lot about pulleys, but I just dont see the connection.

Check your coil packs, or try taking it off and see if the problem is solved
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Old 11-22-2004, 05:48 PM   #112
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I can tell you... they will work, but you need to make a bracket. I have perrin rails on my V8 JDM manifold, and it was a lot of work. When you get the manifold and lay it down next to the rails, you'll see what you have to do - PM me if you'd like, I can take some pics.

Thanks much! Next step....finding a v8 JDM manifold I've got a V7 RA-C, a US STi, but no v8. I'll pm you when I get one.

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Old 11-22-2004, 08:05 PM   #113
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CARYFD227: Glad to hear you got it in. This is an install that can go very quickly for many and sometimes much longer for a few. You final remark about the next one taking only 2 hours shows that you understand what we are talking about. We can always appreciate someones frustration and we try to minimize that. Think how much more time would have been spent if you had to remove the intake manifold! Yikes.

For future reference. Place the aluminum coupler into the BOV return line prior to placing it into the hose. Makes for an easier go!

WREX03: More information coming soon. (Check out the new website next week!)

Unkadave: Your consistant misguided rants have once again blasted you in the face like a grenade. Jeff Perrin designed the PSRS as well as wrote the instructions. The installation mistakes (failure to read the instructions) made by your installer caused the problems with your kit. Admittedly, several kits were misboxed and had two left or right sides. It is unfortunate that your less than idle threats to kill or maim both myself, Jeff Perrin and the rest of our staff preclude further conversation with you. Your more than apparent hatred of me and my staff personally is a mute point. You made it, get over it. There is no way that I can ever prove any level of customer service to you, as you are mentally unable to comprehend good customer service even if it bit you on your backside! Ask a question about our products or go and jack another companies thread!

855m0n0- Thank you for your purchase. I believe the answer you have already received here is true and correct. While we too would suggest checking the coil packs and/or the more likely culprit is the flywheel. With literally thousands sold the crank pulley has proven itself to be a reliable and inexpensive upgrade to your engine. If we can assist in anyway though, please do not hesitate to ask here or in person. Our phone number is on our website. Thanks again.

subieworx: Thank you for your purchase. Couple questions:

How low is your car?

What setting is the bar on?

What exhaust system do you have?

The bar will NOT hit at stock ride height and stock muffler. This is where we prototype from (an otherwise stock vehicle.) We make every effort to reduce interference when combining with any aftermarket combination. Such as, lowering springs, exhaust systems, endlinks etc. The range of adjustment to the bar can help reduce any interference as well. For more detail please call us or PM with a phone number. We would be happy to discuss it. Thanks again.


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Old 11-22-2004, 08:45 PM   #114
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I was wondering, I was sold your 02 simulator after buying the Perrin Downpie. I installed it as instructed, led flashes w/ignition, CEL comes on after car warms up. My car is an '04, am I missing something??? Different part number maybe????
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Old 11-22-2004, 09:29 PM   #115
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Unkadave: Your consistant misguided rants have once again blasted you in the face like a grenade. Jeff Perrin designed the PSRS as well as wrote the instructions. The installation mistakes (failure to read the instructions) made by your installer caused the problems with your kit. Admittedly, several kits were misboxed and had two left or right sides. It is unfortunate that your less than idle threats to kill or maim both myself, Jeff Perrin and the rest of our staff preclude further conversation with you. Your more than apparent hatred of me and my staff personally is a mute point. You made it, get over it. There is no way that I can ever prove any level of customer service to you, as you are mentally unable to comprehend good customer service even if it bit you on your backside! Ask a question about our products or go and jack another companies thread!
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I liked everybody else at Alta and think Jeff Perrin is the best. I was just trying to help out with the CEL fix.
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Is the Perrin CAI better than then Injen? Will it be safe to put on the new Axis 2.5 motor I'm putting in? Will it need the big MAF sensor etc.?

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Old 11-22-2004, 09:44 PM   #116
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I have many Perrin parts on my STI:

FMIC
injectors
Big MAF
Turbo Inlet

By far the biggest thing that needs to be changed is you FMIC. The core is good, piping also has a great fit. But please include T-bolt clamps with the kit. There is NO comparison from T-bolt clamps to the worm gear clamps that you include. If you want to charge 1st class price for your kit, it should include 1st class parts.

The BOV placement on the FMIC is terrible. I suffered from constant compressor surge with ANY BOV and any adjustment with the new BOV location (before the IC). Not until I rewelded it to the "common" FMIC position (right before TB) did the car start to run right.

Otherwise, thanks for asking for feedback.
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Old 11-22-2004, 10:27 PM   #117
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CARYFD227: Glad to hear you got it in. This is an install that can go very quickly for many and sometimes much longer for a few. You final remark about the next one taking only 2 hours shows that you understand what we are talking about. We can always appreciate someones frustration and we try to minimize that. Think how much more time would have been spent if you had to remove the intake manifold! Yikes.

For future reference. Place the aluminum coupler into the BOV return line prior to placing it into the hose. Makes for an easier go!

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I tried the BOV both ways, and I finally just shoved the aluminum coupler as far as it would go into the BOV hose and it popped in with a little coaxing. It would not have taken nearly as long as it did if I didn't drop one of the plastic fittings on top of the engine. I can only imagine the nightmare of removing the intake manifold.

Also, one quick question. If I get your front mount intercooler which intake should I use.. your short ram or the big MAF. I will have engine management when they both go in and I will be on the stock injectors and stock turbo on my 05 STi for a while. THanks!!!
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:54 AM   #118
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FASTROB691: Couple things to check. First the ground for the sim. Make sure it is mounted to a body ground that is free of paint etc. Also, does your car have any cats in it at all (e.g. up-pipe)? Finally, did you check the code you are getting after the installation? Call or e-mail us with the code and we can double check a few additional things for you. Let us know how we can help.

whkenstrck: Thanks for the feedback. The newest versions of the kit have the BOV located on the cold side of the IC. We never experienced and compressor surge with our BOV or the stock BOV. However, many customers that used other brands had some issue. We took that feedback and relocated it for those affected. Sorry you had an issue. Also, most T type clamps lack the "non-silicone" cutting inner ring. Again, we haven't had any issues with the clamps included but I will look further into t type options. Thanks for your purchases and the feedback it is appreciated.

caryfd227: If you have the engine management the Big Maf is the best way to go considering you will likely upgrade both the turbo and injectors in the future. Compensate for it now and again when you upgrade. This will allow additional resolution to your timing and fuel maps. You can use the basic short ram now but this should offset future costs. I am sure you can understand the itch for extra HP after the butt dyno gets used to the current power increases. Let us know if we can help further!

Thanks again folks!

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Old 11-23-2004, 09:58 AM   #119
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subieworx: Thank you for your purchase. Couple questions:

How low is your car?

What setting is the bar on?

What exhaust system do you have?

The bar will NOT hit at stock ride height and stock muffler. This is where we prototype from (an otherwise stock vehicle.) We make every effort to reduce interference when combining with any aftermarket combination. Such as, lowering springs, exhaust systems, endlinks etc. The range of adjustment to the bar can help reduce any interference as well. For more detail please call us or PM with a phone number. We would be happy to discuss it. Thanks again.


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I originally installed the bar and endlinks when all other components were stock and it hit the stock exhaust over large bumps on any setting. I have since lowered the car with no change in bumping of the bar against the exhaust. It still hits over large bumps. I had an aftermarket exhaust on my car for about one week and the bumping stopped. It has dented part of the exhaust slightly and put a nice size ding in the bar.

My only point of concern is having the bar snap do to a large bump some day. That is not something I want to happen. Other than that it has been fine.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:38 PM   #120
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Thanks for the feedback. You might want to try changing the setting on the bar. This changes the initial reference point for the swing of the bar. You can also loosen the bolts that secure both the bushing clamps to the drop downs and the drop downs to the body. Then push them both as far forward as they can go. You can get nearly 1/2"-1" additional clearance between the adjustment and the movement in the drop downs.

If that doesn't work please let us know!

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Old 11-23-2004, 12:49 PM   #121
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Thanks for the feedback. You might want to try changing the setting on the bar. This changes the initial reference point for the swing of the bar. You can also loosen the bolts that secure both the bushing clamps to the drop downs and the drop downs to the body. Then push them both as far forward as they can go. You can get nearly 1/2"-1" additional clearance between the adjustment and the movement in the drop downs.

If that doesn't work please let us know!

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I will attempt that this weekend and see what happens and let you know on Monday or so.
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:33 PM   #123
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Unkadave:

Jeff Perrin here,
I am glad you think so highly of me, but there is one thing you are forgetting, you threatened to kill ME too. This is something I and my family have not forgotten. Adam's actions, that made you mad, in any other rational customers eyes would have been perfectly normal, but not to you.

PSRS
Dave we offered, (both Adam and I), to fix your PSRS long ago. You first emailled us and ask about the clunking noise, and we went through a few emails asking you to check some of the installations procedures. You admitted to us that they were installed wrong, by you and/or your mechanic. Even though they were installed wrong by you, we offered to fix or replace them,like we do in warranty situations. This is us, the people you threatened to kill,helping you out with our parts like we would with any customer. We suggested to send them to your dealer you bought them from, so we could take care of you. We never got them.

To this day you seem to have forgotten that Adam and I both tried to help you get things taken care of and to this day you still complain about them and how bad they are! Now you think sending them to WL so they can either copy them or whatever is going to make you feel better??? If it is true that I am such a good guy, why would you do this? This really seems like a cop out on your part to get your PSRS fixed. Even though you are not supposed to contact us in anyway, which you have, we were willing to help a customer out.

Bringing up old posts (check other threads) tyring to ruffle our feathers, is really a childish thing to do. You can go back since march of 01 and find every thread we have ever wrote, bring them all up, its going to do nothing but help us out. Please do it, it will just make us more visable to the publics eye, and they will see how willing to help customers and to simply answer questions that we are. We (PERRIN Performance) like to speak to customers and help them out. I love helping someone build their car into what they want. Your mindless rants will not prevent us from achieving the goal of having the highest level of customer satisfaction in the performance aftermarket.

Now to answer your question about the CAI. With your new 2.5 block you are installing, i would highly recommend the BigMAF. The whole reason behind the BigMAF is to trick the MAF sensor to read more air coming in the engine that the sensor in the stock sized housing can't read. With the larger displacment, you will peg the MAF sensor in the stock sized housing rather quickly. Yes this has to be tuned, no matter what. If you choose to keep your Injen intake, you will see how soon the sensor gets pegged even with the vf? turbo you have.

I know PDXTuning is going to be tuning your car, and they can surely handle the BigMAF tune for your new 2.5.

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Old 11-23-2004, 10:30 PM   #124
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I will check the ground in the morning, no cats at all and I need to go by autozone to check the code. I have it grounded to the tab that comes off the pitch mount, mount. That was the only one the wire would reach.
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Old 11-24-2004, 01:19 AM   #125
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Unkadave:

Jeff Perrin here,
I am glad you think so highly of me, but there is one thing you are forgetting, you threatened to kill ME too. This is something I and my family have not forgotten. Adam's actions, that made you mad, in any other rational customers eyes would have been perfectly normal, but not to you.

PSRS
Dave we offered, (both Adam and I), to fix your PSRS long ago. You first emailled us and ask about the clunking noise, and we went through a few emails asking you to check some of the installations procedures. You admitted to us that they were installed wrong, by you and/or your mechanic. Even though they were installed wrong by you, we offered to fix or replace them,like we do in warranty situations. This is us, the people you threatened to kill,helping you out with our parts like we would with any customer. We suggested to send them to your dealer you bought them from, so we could take care of you. We never got them.

To this day you seem to have forgotten that Adam and I both tried to help you get things taken care of and to this day you still complain about them and how bad they are! Now you think sending them to WL so they can either copy them or whatever is going to make you feel better??? If it is true that I am such a good guy, why would you do this? This really seems like a cop out on your part to get your PSRS fixed. Even though you are not supposed to contact us in anyway, which you have, we were willing to help a customer out.

Bringing up old posts (check other threads) tyring to ruffle our feathers, is really a childish thing to do. You can go back since march of 01 and find every thread we have ever wrote, bring them all up, its going to do nothing but help us out. Please do it, it will just make us more visable to the publics eye, and they will see how willing to help customers and to simply answer questions that we are. We (PERRIN Performance) like to speak to customers and help them out. I love helping someone build their car into what they want. Your mindless rants will not prevent us from achieving the goal of having the highest level of customer satisfaction in the performance aftermarket.

Now to answer your question about the CAI. With your new 2.5 block you are installing, i would highly recommend the BigMAF. The whole reason behind the BigMAF is to trick the MAF sensor to read more air coming in the engine that the sensor in the stock sized housing can't read. With the larger displacment, you will peg the MAF sensor in the stock sized housing rather quickly. Yes this has to be tuned, no matter what. If you choose to keep your Injen intake, you will see how soon the sensor gets pegged even with the vf? turbo you have.

I know PDXTuning is going to be tuning your car, and they can surely handle the BigMAF tune for your new 2.5.

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I did not know you back in 02 when Taft put on the Tanaube full race exhaust. I had just gotten my wrx. I did not know a thing about modifications or let alone who was what. I never threatened to KILL Adam, or anybody. Adam knows that. It must have been handy. I always make sure my customers, contacts are happy.

And yes I think you are an excellent designer.

It was about Taft putting on a Tanaube Full Race Exhaust (I asked him not to). I had a Shop down here RacingTrenz Steve Wu fix it. Steve put in the Taunabe Medalian ?? AND gave me $300_ credit (for the one that needed the hose insert - so it would not scare people in the next car over). Made me mad. But Kill, people. Those were my first mods and I never had heard of Perrinn.


Just a second.



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.............COOLHAND THE RESCUE CAT


HE FOLLOWS ME AROUND WHEN I WATER THE THE FLOWERS TO BUM MCKENZIE RIVER WATER

Is this the cat of a Suby Vendor, Serial Killer???

As for the PPSRS. Whiteline chimed in and said we will give you a set of ours on trade. No restraining order. No go to the vendor. That sounded pretty good. Plus they are in Australia. You guys are 100 miles away. In fact I was just in Tigard visiting my parents. Why should it be easier to do half way around the world.

I was already told to get the big MAf and Perrin Turbo inlet hose???? by the pdx guys.

I do not know where A. Taft works and would certainly never go there. I try to avoid Alta, and let shops know they might get in trouble with Alta, if Adam finds out they are working on my car.

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You admitted to us that they were installed wrong, by you and/or your mechanic. Even though they were installed wrong by you, we offered to fix or replace them,like we do in warranty situations.
The above statement is curious. I never asmitted anything. I actually came out and said. I think we installed the PPSRS in wrong order. And asked what could we do.???

Jeff would never think in terms of admitting guilt. He would have just suggested a solution.
Hi Adam.
Hoefully This will be the end of attacks on me.
Showed a Picture of a battery disconect key several posts back, in response fo CEL fix. There was no mention of Perrin or Alta.

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