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Old 11-11-2004, 10:08 AM   #1
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Default Michelin Pilot Sport A/S or Pirelli PZero Nero M&S

Need to get all seasons on the STi. Help me decide between Pilot or PZero.
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Old 11-11-2004, 10:16 AM   #2
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I've had the Pirellis for about 1.5 years. Good all season and performance tire. Low noise, and suprisingly good drag racing radial. Huh...My 60 foots are 1.7 on these. Thinking of going to the regular neros or corsas next summer.
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Old 11-11-2004, 10:35 AM   #3
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Luke at Tirerack has said that the Pirellis are the best high performance all season tires he has ever driven on. IIRC, the Pirellis are substantially cheaper than the Michelins as well.
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Old 11-11-2004, 11:17 AM   #4
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The pilot sport a/s is simply 'outstanding' in the wet and as solid in the dry as you could ever safely drive on the street. I like them better than GSd3's in all conditions. No noise at all through 33k (some hard driving) and still able to handle tons of water on the roads with zero hydroplane.

Highly recommended and worth every penny IMO.
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Old 11-11-2004, 12:11 PM   #5
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I've driven on both and they're both great tires, but I would go with the Pirellis because they're cheaper.
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Old 11-11-2004, 12:46 PM   #6
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actuallyI said in the dry the Pirelli's are the best I have driven ... in the snow the Michelins are marginally better
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Old 11-11-2004, 01:39 PM   #7
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Luke, I'm in Jersey and we can get a decent amount of snow here, not as consistent as up further in New England, but still can get crappy. So I'm torn between getting a set of good all seasons (Nero's, Contiextreme's) or winters (LM22, M3) for my STI.

What do you recommend for my car in an area like mine?
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Old 11-11-2004, 02:07 PM   #8
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no all season tire can offer nearly the traction in the bad stuff as a true winter tire .... and winter traction is the reason you are posting ... get a winter tire
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Old 11-11-2004, 02:27 PM   #9
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Luke, I need best all around tire. I am going to run these all year.
What do you think?
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Old 11-11-2004, 03:12 PM   #10
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actuallyI said in the dry the Pirelli's are the best I have driven ... in the snow the Michelins are marginally better
luke, how does the Nero M&S compare to a low end summer tire (e.g. es100, kumho 712) in terms of dry grip and steering response? can it even be compared to any summer tire?

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Luke, I need best all around tire. I am going to run these all year.
What do you think?
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i would also like to run these all year but coming from es100 and re040. dont know if the nero M&S will be a huge step down...

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Old 11-11-2004, 07:07 PM   #11
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If you are looking for an "all around" tire at a decent price, consider the Sumitomo HTR+. I run Sumitomo HTR+'s in 225/45/17. They've served me well for 1.5 years and 25,000 miles. They don't particularly excel in any one area, but they perform with equal competence (i.e. decent) in all conditions. Just remember that "a jack of all trades is a master of none." While I am happy with these tires, I am going to ante up the next time around and, at the expense of a little snow traction, get a more summer-biased high performance all-season like Toyo Proxes 4's or Pirello Nero M&S's. Obviously, the best thing is to run snow tires in the winter and balls-out summer max performance tires in the other months, but for many people, this is somewhat costly and a bit of a hassle.
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Old 11-11-2004, 09:27 PM   #12
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pzero nero are going on in the spring!

for the winter running dunlop m3's

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Old 11-12-2004, 10:05 AM   #13
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Luke, I need best all around tire. I am going to run these all year.
What do you think?
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Michelin ....
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Old 11-12-2004, 10:16 AM   #14
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luke, how does the Nero M&S compare to a low end summer tire (e.g. es100, kumho 712) in terms of dry grip and steering response? can it even be compared to any summer tire?



i would also like to run these all year but coming from es100 and re040. dont know if the nero M&S will be a huge step down...

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while the dry performance of the Pirelli is very nice and it is reasonable close to the ability of the ES100 ..... they are a step down
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Old 11-12-2004, 02:33 PM   #15
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If you are looking for an "all around" tire at a decent price, consider the Sumitomo HTR+. I run Sumitomo HTR+'s in 225/45/17. They've served me well for 1.5 years and 25,000 miles. They don't particularly excel in any one area, but they perform with equal competence (i.e. decent) in all conditions. Just remember that "a jack of all trades is a master of none." While I am happy with these tires, I am going to ante up the next time around and, at the expense of a little snow traction, get a more summer-biased high performance all-season like Toyo Proxes 4's or Pirello Nero M&S's. Obviously, the best thing is to run snow tires in the winter and balls-out summer max performance tires in the other months, but for many people, this is somewhat costly and a bit of a hassle.
I agree. And because of the above reasoning, I too upgraded to the Nero m&s from the sumitomos. Now even though they are a little more money than the sumitomos, to me, they were worth it. Great grip and feel, but without the road noise I found with the Sumis. For living in LI, I think the Pirelli's are the best choice for your dollar when comparing to the kind of winter weather we get here (IMO). Very happy with the Pirelli Nero M&S..
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Old 11-12-2004, 06:16 PM   #16
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I bought the Pirelli Nero M+S because they were cheaper and I think it's a toss up. I'd buy Michelins over just about any other tire is money were no object, but the price diff at the time I bought was like $80/tire--that's nuts.
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Old 11-13-2004, 12:58 AM   #17
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I agree. And because of the above reasoning, I too upgraded to the Nero m&s from the sumitomos. Now even though they are a little more money than the sumitomos, to me, they were worth it. Great grip and feel, but without the road noise I found with the Sumis. For living in LI, I think the Pirelli's are the best choice for your dollar when comparing to the kind of winter weather we get here (IMO). Very happy with the Pirelli Nero M&S..

Jfrankon:
Slightly off-topic, but just wondering - how substantial of an improvement in steering response and grip did you feel going from the Sumis to the Pirellis? Do the Pirellis exhibit reduced turn-in slop compared to the Sumis?
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Old 11-13-2004, 12:56 PM   #18
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Old 11-14-2004, 09:14 PM   #19
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Jfrankton,
where on Long Island do you live? I'm in Suffolk. I'm considering the Pirelli's and the Toyos for my 05 Legacy GT.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:20 AM   #20
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I just put the Michelins on last week. I am very pleased witht them so far. They did well in the twisties and highway in heavy rain, good dry traction, waiting for snow. Took a few hard curves on Saturday, dry and cold. A bit of sidewall flex, but they are all seasons. Bonus, ride is a bit softer over bumps, wife marginally happier. She hasn't seen the bill though.

They are expensive, but tires are one area not to cheap out on for the sake of a few dollars. The most expensive is not always the best, but the cheapest is usually cheap for a reason.
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Old 11-15-2004, 06:52 PM   #21
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I've gone over to Michelins as well, definately pleased and happy with them so far. I"ve run Michelin's forever on the vdub and have never had problems with them, specially on wet/slippery pavement on a fwd car they handled admirably for an all season tire. Shop around they are expensive but there are deals out there.
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Old 11-16-2004, 03:29 PM   #22
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Jfrankon:
Slightly off-topic, but just wondering - how substantial of an improvement in steering response and grip did you feel going from the Sumis to the Pirellis? Do the Pirellis exhibit reduced turn-in slop compared to the Sumis?
Thanks!
I would say a moderate improvement. I really think the HTR+ is a great tire, but the Neros have a more precise feel, and to be honest, a less jaring ride characteristic. All in all, I am very happy with the switch. Turning however, does seem more precise. Noise (lack there of) is great.
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Old 11-16-2004, 03:33 PM   #23
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Jfrankton,
where on Long Island do you live? I'm in Suffolk. I'm considering the Pirelli's and the Toyos for my 05 Legacy GT.
Jimmy:

I live in Smithtown. How do you like your new car? Where did you get it?
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:51 PM   #24
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I live in Dix Hills. I really enjoy it even though I had to get an automatic because my wife has a clutch-impairment. I bought it at Metric and got it July 3rd. I can't decide between the Pirelli's, Toyo's, Falken's or Nokian's. I have the Falken's on my wife's forester but this will be our first winter with them so I have no snow experience with them. Our winters here on LI have snow but I think we drive in more slush. Would that be related to wet or snow handling? I would think wet.

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