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Old 11-13-2004, 12:23 AM   #1
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Default Good A/S tires for the forester?

I still have the Stock Yokohama's on and it's just about time to change them, going to have a little bit of snow tonight so I hope it's not going to be so bad.
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Old 11-13-2004, 12:25 AM   #2
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Try Toyo Proxes4 or Pirelli Nero M+S as they are the "kings" of M+S tires. I went with the Proxes4s as they were cheaper.
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Old 11-13-2004, 12:38 AM   #3
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Falken Ziex ZE-512 got very good reviews, Consumer Reports gave it very good marks too. I'm having a set fitted in the AM. Here is a link about them.

http://www.subaruforester.com/viewtopic.php?t=4230

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Old 11-13-2004, 03:16 PM   #4
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How all-season we talking? How deep of snow do you have to go through? Do you drive on gravel/dirt roads much? If the snow is mostly a couple inches or less and you're on highway most of the year, you can pretty much stay with anything, and you'll be fine. However, when a foot of new snow gets dropped off overnight, those nice, sticky on-road tires won't grab much. Just from a quick search on Tire Rack, just searching your stock size, you have a few good choices:

Continental ContiExtremeContact
BF Goodrich Traction T/A
Yokohama Avid H4S (bro just put a set of these on his Protege5)
Dunlop SP Sport 5000 Symetrical/Asymetrical (not M)

Out of them, the Traction T/A might be the most capable.

On a side note, I've personally used Firestone's Indy 500 tires. They're comparable in purpose to the Traction T/A, meant for the rear tires on cameros and mustangs, and from reviews, people who've used both say they are better than the Traction T/A.

From personal experience, they are VERY awesome tires. Awesome dry grip and near truck tire like off-road traction (gravel, dirt, mud, deep snow, etc.). They just don't come in your stock size. You've got either 205/55/R16 or a bit wider 235/55/R16 The only problem with these tires is the soft sidewall. It feels very spongy when cornering, very uneasy until you get used to it. It's a false feeling. Just keep turning, turn sharper, and they'll stick like glue and just keep grabbing. The compound is quite soft but doesn't wear fast. A half year of heavy abuse put very little wear on the tire. Soft compount, soft sidewalls - very sticky grip, solid traction beyond belief, very quiet, very low pitched squeal, soft ride. If you don't want to go to a different size, the Traction T/A is the next closest thing.

I'm personally stuck between the Traction T/A and Indy 500 myself as a next tire. I've had the Indys and know how good they are. However, the spongy feeling is something of an oddity. The Traction T/A is better in this aspect, more solid handling feel. However, I don't know if I can give up the additional performance of the Indy's just over sidewall movement. Also note, I was using 125/70/R14's, pretty high aspect ratio, so keep that in mind when I say spongy. A 205/55/R16 would feel a bit more solid.
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Old 11-15-2004, 03:55 PM   #5
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I live in the Northeast, Last year I drove in about 12 inchs of snow.. I had some Crappy A/S which when I looked them up on the net, they are rated a 2 in the snow.

I'm figuring it's going to cost like $400 for all 4 tires Snows or A/S.
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Old 11-15-2004, 05:23 PM   #6
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Yeah, I'm in CT too and can't decide on an appropriate replacement for the Yohohamas. I really don't want to buy a separate set of winter rubber, but I don't want to give up too much on the performance side either.
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Old 11-15-2004, 05:36 PM   #7
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Yeah I know what you mean...

I've have pushed the Yokohamas to the limits, It will hold to the point when you get into a tight turn and turn the wheel more it no longer turns, and getting off the throttle just a little bit will cause the rear end to step out more.


But I can't stand.. Make a turn in a parking lot at like 5 Mph and the tires squeal like your doing 50.
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:04 AM   #8
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I'm in the same boat. I've been considering the Yokohama AVIDs. I didn't think about the BF Goodrich Traction. I need to do some more research before i buy. The snow is coming soon and i don't wanna be sliding around.
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:40 AM   #9
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Yeah, in the past, I never thought of "performance" tires for a normal daily driver. However, it's suprising how well some of these tires perform. When they were built to keep the rear end of Mustangs and Cameros in check, you know they have some grip. In my eyes, the BF Goodrich Traction T/A and Indy 500 are the two top contenders for all-season, high performance that's available to those of us running something a little higher aspect ratio than the STIs which tend to stick to the P Nero Zero's M+S for all-season traction.

Check user reviews, see what sounds best. I suggest reading a lot of them as well. Responses tend to be quite varied and contradicting at times. It helps to get a good, overall perspective. The reviews tend to point out the key aspects of the tire, both good and bad. The overall survey numbers give a good overview to start. Stay with the highest rated and ones that do well in snow and rain.

You can even do a direct compare of all the tires of a given size. When you search for tires for your car, or a specifc size, it will give you a list of all the tires available. Start checking all the boxes on every tire on every page. Then hit the compare button. This will give you a comparison of every tire available under your search criteria. You can then sort them in order by various aspects, snow, dry, noise, wear, even warranty or temp rating. It makes things pretty easy. Just see which ones stay near the top all the time when sorting. Those will be your best bets.

Note: do the same for some near sizes as well. Several very good tire candidates may not be in your exact size, but they may be in near sizes that will work just fine. Testing a few near sizes may lead to some additional choices.
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Old 11-16-2004, 03:01 PM   #10
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I have the BFG Traction T/A's. They grip great and work very well off road as well. The are also very quiet on the road. I've not had them in the snow yet, but I have no doubt what-so-ever that they will be awesome. When they wear out, I'll be buying another set to replace them.
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:23 PM   #11
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i do whatever Peaty does ! first jdm sti springs, then the 20mm sway and last month put the 225x50x17 Falken Ziex ZE-512 on BBS RK's...

couldn't be more pleased with the results...
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:34 PM   #12
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lol I don't have that kind of $$$
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:22 PM   #13
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lol I don't have that kind of $$$
wheels are BBSRK hand me-downs from my wrx w/48offset & tires for $90. ea provided by local nasioc members...
took the time to mount...and again...
you can see tootsie all over the southeast subbie challenge from sofl to jax at the track & back...
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:55 AM   #14
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For the money I'd get Dunlop SP5000's. I used to live in a ski resort and used them all winter, then Auto-x'd on them in the summer until they were bald. Great tires for the money and very compentent in all weather.
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Old 11-17-2004, 02:44 PM   #15
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I second the Dunlop SP5000's. They may not be winter tires, but they do pretty well in the snow for all-season tires. While everyone was going at around 15-20 mph in the snow, I was able to safely go at around 30 mph in the empty snow-filled lane. Now stopping, on the other hand, is a different story as you must remember that you are just like everyone else regardless of whether you have AWD or not and need to do it gradually, gently, and slowly.
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Old 11-17-2004, 04:38 PM   #16
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I second the Dunlop SP5000's. They may not be winter tires, but they do pretty well in the snow for all-season tires. While everyone was going at around 15-20 mph in the snow, I was able to safely go at around 30 mph in the empty snow-filled lane. Now stopping, on the other hand, is a different story as you must remember that you are just like everyone else regardless of whether you have AWD or not and need to do it gradually, gently, and slowly.
I know about the stopping, I may pull the ABS fuse this time this year...

How much are the Dunlops per tire?

and does tirerack sell them?
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:28 PM   #17
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A lot of people have recommended the Dunlops. I have always used them on my SE-R and have had no complaints. Glad to get feedback from people who have actually used them in the snow. Are they a noticeable improvement over the Geolanders In terms of performance?
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:36 PM   #18
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Stock tire size is

215/60R/16 right?

i'm pretty sure it is.
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:44 PM   #19
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how about these?

Continental ContiExtremeContact

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes
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Old 11-18-2004, 10:28 AM   #20
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Continental ContiExtremeContact

or Kumho Ecsta 716 HP4's - Had those on the FXT, great tire
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:22 AM   #21
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I'm running the Falken Ziex 512 as well, and I think they are great. Although I've only used them in the dry and rain so far. I'm running them in 215/50/17, as I wasn't sure if the 225 would rub on my struts in the back. Has anyone has these tires out in the snow yet? Havnt decided whether to switch back to my stocks for the winter.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:24 PM   #22
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Obviously not alot of Goodyear fans here but I thought I would put in my 2 cents. I upgraded my stock XT tires the first week of owning the car to the goodyaear Eagle gt-hr and love them. Again I did not change my wheels yet but wanted a good all season tire in the OEM size which also had some performance benefits. These things work great in the snow, rain and dry weather and the wear so far is awesome. I have almost 20k miles on them and the tread looks almost unchanged. Very competitively priced also. JMO.


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I've heard good things about the Conti Extremes, however I've also heard that they don't balance very well.
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Old 11-18-2004, 02:14 PM   #24
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i love my conti EXtremes. i would say is killed 50 % of what i thought was body sway. the result, i gained 15+ mph in some curves. I did not experience any of the reported problems.
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No wobble at higher speeds? Some of the reviews also mentioned cupping or flat spots, but this could obviously be attributable to alignment. How many miles do you have on them? Have you driven them in the snow? I'd love to have stiffer sidewalls so these are definitely contenders.
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