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Old 11-15-2004, 01:46 AM   #1
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Default Azenis worn out after 4 months?

I how long are everyone's Azenis lasting for after a few autoX's? I've had mine for like about 4 months and 3 or 4 autoX's. I know my alightment is off but it isn't to bad. would this be the cause of all my problem?
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:06 AM   #2
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I don't autocross, but I have had my azenis sports for 6 months with 7k on em. Still like new. I got an alignment when they were mounted.
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:14 AM   #3
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i don't think it's unreasonable to be able to kill a pair of summers off over the course of a summer
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Old 11-15-2004, 09:38 AM   #4
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I know my alightment is off but it isn't to bad.
Are they wearing evenly? Are the pressures normal?
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:36 AM   #5
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I know my alightment is off but it isn't to bad. would this be the cause of all my problem?
Quite possibly........ "A little off" may not be visible at all. A lot of toe out or toe in, if equal, will not be noticable while driving either, but it will eat the living hell out of your tires.

Depending on your auto-x surface and style of course, compared to your alignment settings, could eat them up very quickly too.

(example) I have camber plates. I maxed out the negative camber for an event and it ended up raining. The rain caused the car to not roll as bad and not take full advantage of the negative camber, thus wearing the tires out, on the inside half, A LOT..........

When you get new tires, get the alignment with before and after numbers and that may answer your question.

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Old 11-15-2004, 11:05 AM   #6
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They are wearing some what evenly some flat spots((I have no ABS)) but the fronts wore down a lot faster than the rears.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:35 AM   #7
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Quite possibly........ "A little off" may not be visible at all. A lot of toe out or toe in, if equal, will not be noticable while driving either, but it will eat the living hell out of your tires.

Depending on your auto-x surface and style of course, compared to your alignment settings, could eat them up very quickly too.

(example) I have camber plates. I maxed out the negative camber for an event and it ended up raining. The rain caused the car to not roll as bad and not take full advantage of the negative camber, thus wearing the tires out, on the inside half, A LOT..........

When you get new tires, get the alignment with before and after numbers and that may answer your question.

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You do know that maxxing out negative camber screws with your toe settings right?? Don't this for an autox is not a good idea. I believe I read that if you add camber via camber plates at the event you add a good bit of toe out.
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Old 11-15-2004, 03:48 PM   #8
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My set of Azenis lasted 4 months and 5k miles. They went through 108 autocross runs before cording. It was autocrossing on rough concrete that really did it to them. I'll also blame some overdriving on my part every now and then -- understeering due to too much speed through a slow corner is bad for them. My feeling is that the RE070s last longer -- my first set certainly went through a lot more miles, autocrosses, and track use than the Azenis, and my new set of RE070s look like they're holding up pretty well (only 25 runs though).

I run about 0.4 degrees toe out and -2.8 degrees camber in front, and don't change my alignment -- mainly since I had the alignment shop do measurements of toe change as camber changed and without getting down and playing with the tie rods I won't gain enough camber before the toe gets out of whack to be worthwhile.
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Old 11-15-2004, 03:52 PM   #9
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I have also noticed that the RE070's tend to take the abuse better. They don't have quite as much grip, but they will last longer.

Went through 17 runs of my azenis on my friend's STI at the last autox and there was noticeable tire wear. Definitely less than we started with.
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Old 11-15-2004, 07:53 PM   #10
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You do know that maxxing out negative camber screws with your toe settings right?? Don't this for an autox is not a good idea. I believe I read that if you add camber via camber plates at the event you add a good bit of toe out.

Of course I do.............However..I feel what I gain from the -camber far outways any negative effects of toe out...(on an auto-x course anyway)

But as I noted above, the full negative is only usefull in dry conditions.
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Old 11-15-2004, 08:04 PM   #11
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I ran azenis sports as my last set of tires. -2.0 F and -1.5 rear camber. Little toe out in the back. Tires lasted like 3-4 months before there was no tread and they just were like slicks.
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Old 11-15-2004, 08:25 PM   #12
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Of course I do.............However..I feel what I gain from the -camber far outways any negative effects of toe out...(on an auto-x course anyway)

But as I noted above, the full negative is only usefull in dry conditions.
I'm not sure about that. Giving the front toe out would really mess with the handling of the car as it would give you more understeer hence offsetting the effects of the added camber.
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Old 11-16-2004, 08:10 AM   #13
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I'm not sure about that. Giving the front toe out would really mess with the handling of the car as it would give you more understeer hence offsetting the effects of the added camber.

Well...I cant argue the specifics of your point, but what I can say is that I'm going on my second year winning STX locally against other WRX's, ITR, etc and took 4th (AFAIK) in overall PAX at the Florida State Championship and won STX at the Jacksonville Subaru Challenge and took second STX at the Atlanta Subaru Challenge--(against drbiggly in THoppes old WRX)..

I'd say, for now, this is working quite well for me.


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Old 11-16-2004, 09:16 AM   #14
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Well...I cant argue the specifics of your point, but what I can say is that I'm going on my second year winning STX locally against other WRX's, ITR, etc and took 4th (AFAIK) in overall PAX at the Florida State Championship and won STX at the Jacksonville Subaru Challenge and took second STX at the Atlanta Subaru Challenge--(against drbiggly in THoppes old WRX)..

I'd say, for now, this is working quite well for me.


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It must be.

Hey, you don't happen to know a guy named Jason who drives a Green late 90's M Roadster do you? He is from Jacksonville and used to hang out with all the Subaru guys down there and has mentioned friend's at Jacksonville Subaru numerous times.
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:14 AM   #15
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I'd say that you need to get an alignment, Dan. I've got a ton of hard miles (bought them back in the spring) on my Azenis and they still have about 1/2 the tread left. Go to Big Bear in Oconomowoc. Make sure you get some camber bolts installed in the rear to allow the to decrease (slightly) the negative camber in the rear. That will allow the rear to rotate better.

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Old 11-16-2004, 10:15 AM   #16
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dude dwx aka phil autocrossed you car that took off at least 1 month of normal wear, plus how often did you rotate them?
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:43 AM   #17
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dude dwx aka phil autocrossed you car that took off at least 1 month of normal wear, plus how often did you rotate them?
I'd bet that's more like one year.

Also, Jay had run an event on those before you got them. I thought you ran half the season on those tires.

Don't most people run through 2 sets of Azeni's in a full season of auto-x?

I know I burned through my Toyo's in 4 months, and they're quite a bit harder than the Azeni's, and I have 0 toe all around on my car.
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:50 AM   #18
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yah phil was cause of the flat spots hahaha. I just rotated them once front to rear.
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I'd bet that's more like one year.

Also, Jay had run an event on those before you got them. I thought you ran half the season on those tires.

Don't most people run through 2 sets of Azeni's in a full season of auto-x?

I know I burned through my Toyo's in 4 months, and they're quite a bit harder than the Azeni's, and I have 0 toe all around on my car.
Most of the people around here go through one set a year at autox.
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:48 PM   #20
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I've had mine since July. Roughly 50 miles daily. I'd say about 7k miles roughly total. Plus 30or more auto-x runs. They are just now starting to show some wear. And that was just due to an event 2 weekends ago. I think I will get a year out of them. Driving style will greatly effect the life of the tire. As in. don't push the car so hard that you're rolling over on the sidewalls on 45+ psi.
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Hey, you don't happen to know a guy named Jason who drives a Green late 90's M Roadster do you? He is from Jacksonville and used to hang out with all the Subaru guys down there and has mentioned friend's at Jacksonville Subaru numerous times.

I didnt know him well, but I did know him. Seen the M several times at the local events.
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