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Old 11-15-2004, 02:03 PM   #1
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Default Dunlop sp5000 vs. Nokian WR

Are the Nokian's really worth twice the price? I am having difficulty with reviews because the Nokian's seem to have kind of a cult following. Anyone tried both?

I am looking for high performance in COLD dry/wet conditions, and acceptable on snow or ice(dont get much of that here) so I am not looking for a summer tire.

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Old 11-15-2004, 02:26 PM   #2
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For your info my girlfriends car had the dunlops on it. I just took them off and replaced them with Falken Zeix 512's because they were awful. She was constantly spinning the tires on hills in the cold (no water, no snow). In the snow she barely made it home from my house.

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Old 11-15-2004, 02:29 PM   #3
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Thanks for the info. I have been looking at the Zeix 512 also.
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:32 PM   #4
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The Nokians are worth the money, IMHO. I ran them on my WRX wagon, and they were good in the snow/wet stuff, but also very good in the dry. They're an "all weather" tire, which means all season, but they also have the snowflake logo on the sidewall, which means they pass muster as a snow tire, as well.

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Old 11-15-2004, 02:42 PM   #5
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I personally have nothing but good things to say about the SP5000's I have been running them for almost 2 years. They have pretty good dry traction (have nover really had them squeel), are great in the rain (hydroplane resistance), and they have been very good in the snow the last 2 winters. I'll see how they do in the Third.... Overall I am very pleased. I have never really seen any negative reviews about them, except that the sidwall is kinda soft, but they'll hold alot of pressure so you can counter that.

Mine have also worn very well, granted that I live in NYC and I don't drive that much.

Do a search SP5000's have been talked about numerous times...

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Old 11-15-2004, 02:55 PM   #6
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Are the Nokian's really worth twice the price? I am having difficulty with reviews because the Nokian's seem to have kind of a cult following. Anyone tried both?

I am looking for high performance in COLD dry/wet conditions, and acceptable on snow or ice(dont get much of that here) so I am not looking for a summer tire.

Suggestions?
Something cool about the Nokians is that they have wear indicators on them to let you know their condition. I loved mine but now I must sell them. PM me if you are interested.FS Post
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Old 11-15-2004, 07:10 PM   #7
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+1 for WRs!!! I run'm as fall/winter/spring tires. Fine for Boston's snow levels.

The extra $ is well spent. BTW, just found a set of 215/55/16s for a buddy for 145.00 installed I've seen them as high as 235.00 installled, so shop around.

Happy motoring!
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Old 11-15-2004, 07:37 PM   #8
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+1 for WRs!!! I run'm as fall/winter/spring tires. Fine for Boston's snow levels.

The extra $ is well spent. BTW, just found a set of 215/55/16s for a buddy for 145.00 installed I've seen them as high as 235.00 installled, so shop around.

Happy motoring!
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Where did you find them for that price?
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Old 11-15-2004, 08:52 PM   #9
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In the northeast, give Sullivan tires a call.
I don't remember clearly now, I think I paid around $135 to 140 mounted each for 205/55/16 Nokian WR. They don't officially carry Nokian but they can order it for you.
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:58 AM   #10
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I need 225/45/17. Anyone know where I can get this size cheapest?
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Old 11-16-2004, 07:39 AM   #11
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I have not seen many online places carry Nokian Tires.
So your best bet would be go to www.nokiantires.com and locate local dealers and call around.
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Old 11-16-2004, 07:49 AM   #12
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I need 225/45/17. Anyone know where I can get this size cheapest?

Search "Private Sales" threads there was a guy back a month or so a go who was selling Nokian pretty cheap. (yes, he was in the wrong thread) And for limited time no shipping cost.

Good luck!
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:36 PM   #13
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Are the Nokian's really worth twice the price?
They really shouldn't be twice the price. The price I paid for my Nokian WRs last year was only about $10-$15 more per tire than the TireRack price for SP5000s (in the 205/55 16 size). Since you're in Seattle get a price from one of the local Tire Factory stores. The price that they quoted me was less than the prices I got from any of the online retailers. The store didn't have any in stock, but the warehouse was in Portland and they had the tires up here a couple of days after I ordered them.
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Old 11-26-2004, 08:48 PM   #14
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All of the tire factory stores want about $204 per tire- vs. $87 each for sp5000's!
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Old 11-26-2004, 09:21 PM   #15
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i just got my nokian WR's and they were worth the wait and the ~$750. So far my exps have been in the dry and in the wet and they are great in both, much better than the summer bridgestones that come stock on a STi. I can see why people leave these on all year round.

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Old 11-26-2004, 10:06 PM   #16
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Had my first snow experience with WR's yesterday and honeymoon excitement aside, I can't remember a better feeling of complete control in slush....short of Hakkapiilita's on an old Rabbit.

One of the often overlooked benefits of Nokian products is the treadlife. Not only do their tires last longer than expected, but the performance has very little drop-off, unlike some of the more common brand name tires.
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Old 11-27-2004, 12:07 AM   #17
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dunlops SUCK, I know, I just got home from driving on my Dunlop SP 5000's... Lets just say that my mom's grand prix on all season tires is going to do better in the snow...

2 seconds on a google search turned up this page with a lot of reviews for the dunlop. Most of them rated the tire a 1 or 2 (out of 5) on snow.
http://www.1010tires.com/Dunlop_SP_S...000_tires.html

They work fairly well in the dry (could handle as well as/better than a few WRX's I was chasing at the last fun run event) but snow makes them slide.

...I need some winter tires.
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Old 11-27-2004, 01:24 AM   #18
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SP5000's come on Mazda Proteges stock. (Well they used to) But they also find their way onto may Lexus's... Decent tire for mild driving, but anything over the norm and you'll be upset.... Oh, and they are pretty quiet as well.... I would just expect more out of a V-rate.
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Old 11-27-2004, 01:35 AM   #19
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When talking about the Dunlop SP 5000 tires, make sure you clarify between the M version and the Symetrical/Asymetrical versions. They're a little different. On Tire Rack, the SP 5000 Symetric or Asymetric are rated quite high while the SP 5000 M version is a little ways down on the list and with a much worse snow traction rating.

The SP 5000 M comes standard on the Protege 5, my bro has. They are good for summer, warm weather. They stick well when warmed up. They are sensitive to temp. They ware quite quickly, very quickly, 10,000-15,000 miles and they're slicks on a stock car under normal driving. They do well for hydroplaning at first. When the tread wears down, hydroplaning gets much worse.

As far as the Symetric and Asymetric versions, one would think they'd be similar, but the ratings people give them indicate they are quite a bit better than the M version.

I just wanted to point that out
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Thank you Back Road Runner for clearing this up. I've had the SP5000s Asymetric on my REX for the past 2 winters and they are a great tire. I've driven through blizzards with no problem. I've read/heard that they do lose their snow grip as their tread life goes down. I'm interested to see how they hold up this winter. Since this will be the 3rd winter for this set of tires.
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All of the tire factory stores want about $204 per tire- vs. $87 each for sp5000's!

I know of half a dozon people (in the Boston area) who bought WRs this Fall for between 130.00 and 142.00 installed for 205/55/16s The big national selles are not always the best prices.

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Old 11-27-2004, 05:24 PM   #22
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I just recommended to my co-worker with a Protege 5 to get some WR's. He was not happy with the OEM Sp-5000's at all. So far he likes the WR's. HE paid $140 installed/balanced Etc... for 205/50/16's at Jack Williams tire center. If you live in eastern PA there is probably one near you,

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I love my WR's. Perfect for New England winter.
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When talking about the Dunlop SP 5000 tires, make sure you clarify between the M version and the Symetrical/Asymetrical versions. They're a little different. On Tire Rack, the SP 5000 Symetric or Asymetric are rated quite high while the SP 5000 M version is a little ways down on the list and with a much worse snow traction rating.

The SP 5000 M comes standard on the Protege 5, my bro has. They are good for summer, warm weather. They stick well when warmed up. They are sensitive to temp. They ware quite quickly, very quickly, 10,000-15,000 miles and they're slicks on a stock car under normal driving. They do well for hydroplaning at first. When the tread wears down, hydroplaning gets much worse.

As far as the Symetric and Asymetric versions, one would think they'd be similar, but the ratings people give them indicate they are quite a bit better than the M version.

I just wanted to point that out
Wow. Very good info... I'll file this under "... I did Not know that ..."
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< has asymetrical ones, they still suck in snow.
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