Out of these two tires... which ones are better?

[NewShockerGuy]

Falken z512
Toyo Proxes 4


I don't know anything about them. I need them for my wheels that I am about to get and was given these two options...

Both are all season.

Thanks,
-Nigel

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[bull3964]

When talking about all-seasons, it's important to know your priorties. Without that, we can't tell you what's "best".

[NewShockerGuy]

I live in PA. So we are going to get snow... a good bit of it.

Not interested in off roading at all.. IE: Taking it to a muddy woods (as fun as that would be) and going trailing...

Going to be using these for rain, winter and fall seasons...

What else do ya need.

-Nigel

[bull3964]

Ah, I see you are in pittsburgh as well.

For snow, the contential contisports would probably be about the best, possibly the SP5000s.

I just got a set of Pirelli Pzero Nero M&S installed, but I'm using these year round so I have summer traction as a priority as well. I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of snow traction for good traction in the summer.

[SinhCredible]

list the continental extreme contacts and pzero m+S

[imaaaron]

if you were closer to philly there are 2 places here selling proxe 4's for $110. I'd recommend these places to anybody.

[subieworx]

Some people never listen.

Title of thread. "Out of these two tires..."

[fliz]

Originally Posted by subieworx

Some people never listen.

Title of thread. "Out of these two tires..."

Well, he did provide the "other" list.

For a fall-winter tire in PA. I wouldn't choose either of those. I'd recommend any tire with a snow rating and V or higher rated. Nokian WR, Dunlop M3, Blizzak LM22 or LM25.

[subieworx]

Originally Posted by fliz

Well, he did provide the "other" list.

For a fall-winter tire in PA. I wouldn't choose either of those. I'd recommend any tire with a snow rating and V or higher rated. Nokian WR, Dunlop M3, Blizzak LM22 or LM25.

Whose to say Newshockerguy has not already looked into these and decided to not get them. No one has asked, they just automatically impart their "wisdom" on others.

[WimpWgn]

Proxis 4 Get My Vote. But I Was Too Cheap To Get Those, Opt For Nitto Neogen Instead.

[fliz]

Originally Posted by subieworx

Whose to say Newshockerguy has not already looked into these and decided to not get them. No one has asked, they just automatically impart their "wisdom" on others.

Did you read his post?

He's getting new wheels and those are the two all-season tire options he was given. He didn't mention anything about researching different tires or anything else....AND he provided an "other" option, asking us to "Please List". Also, this exact poll has probably been posted 15 times in the last year.

I stick by my other recommendation. And since you haven't even given a recommendation, sthu.

[bull3964]

Originally Posted by fliz

Well, he did provide the "other" list.

For a fall-winter tire in PA. I wouldn't choose either of those. I'd recommend any tire with a snow rating and V or higher rated. Nokian WR, Dunlop M3, Blizzak LM22 or LM25.

Out of all of those, I would only chose the WR if his only other tires are summer tires.

Winters in this area are really funky. I will be snowy and in the low teens/single digits one week, but then it will warm up to the 40s and be totally dry another week. Then, we could always get a few days of 60/70s in the dead of winter, it's happened before. My friend runs KDW for the summer and Dunlop M3 for the winter and he's been going nuts trying to figure out when to switch over. Last week it was getting down into the low 30's at night, but this week it was in the high 50's low 60's.

I can see getting a full on snow tire if your other set are summer slanted all seasons because it gives you a bit more leeway to keep them on during the fall where weather is all over the map. If you have dedicated summers and dedicated winters, you probably have a month and a half in the fall and spring where your only choice is to chunk your winters or slide around on your summers.

In my opinion, the best combos for this area are:

Summer slanted all-seasons / dedicated winters

or

Dedicated summers / winter slanted all-seasons

or, if you wanted to get insane

Dedicated summers / middle of the road all-seasons / dedicated winters

[NewShockerGuy]

I didn't look at any other tires actually, never had to buy them so I really don't know what the hell I'm looking for..lol

I was offered those two above that could have come on the wheels that I purchased...

After much debate and second guessing I chose neither...

So bascilly I can chose good snow/all season tires.

They are for my 05' STI..

As far as size all I have to do is pick the 17x8" tire right? Or do I need to get the middle balloon part that goes between the tire and the wheel with the stem?

Thanks,
-Nigel

[bull3964]

Originally Posted by NewShockerGuy

As far as size all I have to do is pick the 17x8" tire right? Or do I need to get the middle balloon part that goes between the tire and the wheel with the stem?

Oh boy, you've never bought tires before have you?

Wheels come in 17x8" sizes, tires are measured differently. For an STi, the size would be 225/45/17. That's 225mm wide, 45% of 225mm for the sidewall height, and 17 inch for the wheel size.

Tires are tubeless. There is no "middle balloon part". Tires seal directly on to the wheel.

I think these would be you best choice given the area. Unfortunatly, they are on back order.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

I've heard the Kumho ASX also gives pretty good snow traction for an all-season.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes


The before mentioned Nokian WR would also be a good choice. Tirerack doesn't carry those though, so you would have to find a retailer for them. It would be the same size I mentioned above.

The Dunlop M3 are a dedicated snow tire. They may wear a little quickly in the wamer temps we sometimes get in the fall and late winter/early spring, but they would provide excellent snow traction.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

Unfortunatly, tirerack only carries runflats for that size and they are expensive as hell.

I would stay away from the Blizzak WS-50 for this area. They are an amazing ice and snow tire, but I think we see too many warmer and dry days for them to last long plus they would REALLY feel squishy on an STi.

The LM-22 is similar to the M3. It may wear a little quicker though.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

This is what I'm running year round on my WRX.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

I do not think they are the best choice for you though as these are a more summer slanted all season. Since you already have summer tires, there's no need to get tires that give up a bit of snow traction for summer grip like these do.

I do honestly believe you will be fine with all seasons. I have never owned a dedicated set of snow tires in this area but still drive just as much in the winter as I do the summer. My entire family also has never bought snow tires. My dad even manages fine in his RWD van with the run of the mill OEM all-season tires his van came with from the factory.

The biggest reason people would need snow tires in this area is to get up steep hills. However, that is one area in which we have an advantage. The rest of the aspects of winter driving around here can be handled just fine with good skills and good all-seasons.

[sfhand]

I got the falkens after reading tire reviews. I have a dedicated set of M3's for long trips in the snow.

[SolbergWRCfan]

I would find a place you can get the Continental Extreme Contacts Nigel. They are an amazing snow tire for being all seasons and still perform decently in the summer. If you can get over the hellaciously ugly sidewall I think you will be happy.

Jon

[Len]

Originally Posted by bull3964

I can see getting a full on snow tire if your other set are summer slanted all seasons because it gives you a bit more leeway to keep them on during the fall where weather is all over the map. If you have dedicated summers and dedicated winters, you probably have a month and a half in the fall and spring where your only choice is to chunk your winters or slide around on your summers.

In my opinion, the best combos for this area are:

Summer slanted all-seasons / dedicated winters

or

Dedicated summers / winter slanted all-seasons

or, if you wanted to get insane

Dedicated summers / middle of the road all-seasons / dedicated winters

You just explained my dilemma. I was leaning towards the dedicated summers/winter slanted all season combo, but lately I'm thinking of getting a good performance allseason + winters. What makes me mad is though that either way stock tires are virtually useless.

[NewShockerGuy]

Originally Posted by SolbergWRCfan

I would find a place you can get the Continental Extreme Contacts Nigel. They are an amazing snow tire for being all seasons and still perform decently in the summer. If you can get over the hellaciously ugly sidewall I think you will be happy.

Jon

How is a sidewall ugly... (not being smart, just asking) I thought all sidewalls were just all black... except for the OLD school cars which were white.

Thanks,
-Nigel

[SolbergWRCfan]

Originally Posted by NewShockerGuy

How is a sidewall ugly... (not being smart, just asking) I thought all sidewalls were just all black... except for the OLD school cars which were white.

Thanks,
-Nigel

The tread pattern is projected on the sidewall, it was mostly a joke though.

Jon

[NewShockerGuy]

I was on tire rack and came up with this:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...&performance=W


What does performance Winter mean? Does this mean you can not drive them when it gets a little warmer out?

Also, are there any "good" brands out there that stand out from the rest of them? I've heard of goodyear, bridgestone, dunlop, michelin... but to be honest I don't really know anything other than that as far as ones to stay away from.. I don't want something that blows out on my while I'm driving...

Also did another search and this popped up:

Ultra High Performance All-Season
High Performance All-Season
Performance All-Season
Grand Touring All-Season
Standard Touring All_Season
Passenger All-Season

lol... why isn't there just a couple all season tires?

What is the difference between those?


Sorry for all the questions but I'm gonna order them either tonight or tomorrow.


EDIT: I was reading the reviews on the Continental ContiExtreme Contact: And people were talking about dead spot, poor quality control and blowouts, rim damage..etc about this tire... What is a dead spot? People seem to give this a pretty good review but this worries me..

Did however read very good reviews on the Pirelli PZero Nero M&S.

Would you guys RECOMMEND the Road Hazard Protection for the extra $60 from tirerack?


Thanks,
-Nigel