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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 6046
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: San Francisco
Vehicle:'08 Prius |
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/28/national/28STIC.html
May 28, 2001 The Demise of the Stick Shift Is Accelerating By PETER T. KILBORN LEN BURNIE, Md., May 26 — With a wicked grin slicing his jaw, Curtis Preston, 38, turns up the ramp to the highway. Wham! He crushes the accelerator to the floor and holds it there. With his left foot, he pounds down the clutch. With his fist, he slams the gear shift into second, then third, then fourth. The engine howls, then wheezes, howls and wheezes. In six seconds of a heavy-metal symphony of muscle and motion, Mr. Preston's red 1986 Chrysler Laser hits 60. In 14 seconds, he goes a quarter of a mile. "When you used that clutch in my '61 Impala, you ended up with a calf that looked like Popeye's," Mr. Preston said. "I believe that rolling a four-speed is an art form. It's something you have to think about. It's not God-given." But the Laser with its manual transmission is a 20th-century artifact, and so might be most rubber- peeling Popeyes. The true clutch-equipped, stick- shifting manual transmission — even today called the standard transmission — has shrunk to a mere toy. Six decades since the debut of the Oldsmobile Hydra-Matic, the demise of the manual transmission has accelerated, forced along by stop-and- go highways, brutal commutes, hard- to-handle cell phones and, most recently, make-believe five-speeds that do not even have clutches. Join a Discussion on Car Chat "I wouldn't say it's necessarily our objective to phase out the stick," said Matt Kester, a spokesman for General Motors Powertrain, the G.M. division that makes engines and transmissions. "It's a cultural issue," Mr. Kester said. "It's just that much more work" to operate a stick shift. Other developments are undermining the stick. Cars with automatic transmissions usually cost $500 to $1,000 more than stick-shift cars, but that gap is shrinking. And manual transmissions used to be peppier and more fuel efficient than their automatic counterparts. Now, automatics, governed by sophisticated computers, are burning gas more wisely. "That fuel economy penalty is largely disappearing," said Paul Taylor, chief economist at the National Automobile Dealers Association in Washington. Hertz, Avis and National no longer carry cars with manual transmissions. State motor vehicle regulators do not require training in stick shifts, and high school driver education programs do not offer it. Some driving schools do, but they charge a premium for it. At the extremes of the marketplace, the $9,000-to-$15,000 bare- bones low-powered cars and sporty $40,000-and-up high-performance road burners, drivers can still readily find manual transmissions. But by last year, according to Ward's Automotive Reports, manual transmissions accounted for just 8.7 percent of cars made in the United States, down from 12.4 percent in 1996. Two decades ago, 20 to 25 percent of all new vans had manual transmissions, the Environmental Protection Agency reports. Now none do. Ten percent of sport utility vehicles have stick shifts, compared with 40 percent of similar vehicles in 1975. Throaty Mustangs, Camaros and Trans Ams, a new Lincoln LS and a Volvo V70 have them. But they have disappeared from popular full-size cars like the Ford Taurus and the Pontiac Bonneville and from all Buicks. Last year, Chrysler dropped them from the Jeep Cherokee. Curt Preston works at the mid- Atlantic's high temple of transmission service and repair, Glen Burnie Transmissions, a 40-year-old business on Ritchie Highway in Glen Burnie, a suburb south of Baltimore. Chain operators like Aamco are bigger, but Marvin Keyser, 72, the owner and co-founder, says his suppliers tell him the shop, with its 24 bays and 50 mechanics, is the biggest in the nation under one roof. The mechanics here say an automatic is still no match for a stick. "You can keep control of the power better," Mr. Preston said. "You can use the engine to pull it down" — slowing the car by shifting to a lower gear rather than relying solely on the brakes and wearing them down. "They also last a lot longer than automatics," Mr. Preston said. Repair usually entails little more than replacing a clutch, at a cost of $100 to $300. Today's much more complex electronic-controlled automatics require more work, typically costing $900 or more. But cars with manual transmissions have declined to less than 4 percent of all those the shop sees. Even the mechanics here prefer automatics. Only 10 of the 50 drive stick shifts. One of the two who specialize in servicing sticks, Jack Bell, drives a Ford 150 pickup with an automatic transmission. Until he bought that, he said, "I had three or four cars with sticks." But on the highway outside Baltimore, he said, "they're terrible." "You go two feet, push the clutch, go two feet, push the clutch," he added. The dominance of automatic transmissions is an American phenomenon, Mr. Kester of General Motors said. They have captured only 12 percent of the European market. Europeans drive cars. Americans eat, drink and live in them during ever- longer commutes. They also talk, and the impossibility of shifting, steering and dialing a cell phone has further imperiled the stick. "The European mind-set," Mr. Kester, "is A, you can't get good mileage with an automatic, and B, only weenies drive them." "I don't want to be stereotyping," he added, "but Europeans prefer the acoustic acceleration experience, whereas for Americans the big selling point is a quiet car." Stop in the automobile dealerships stretched along the six lanes of Ritchie Highway, and you can feel the stick's doom. One dealer carries the Kia Rio, a bare-bones Korean car, with a manual transmission. But it appeals only to the thinnest wallets. It gets 32 miles a gallon on the highway, and at a price of $9,390, less a rebate of $500, it is the cheapest, and sparest, automobile in America. To shoppers who come in looking for manual transmissions, Rick Melzer, a salesman at Bob Bell Ford, which also sells Korean Daewoos, said: "First I would say, `Why do you want a stick?' Sticks are popular with 16- and 18-year-old kids." But mostly for reasons of economic necessity. The least expensive car Mr. Melzer sells is a Daewoo with a stick, which goes for $9,900. At Tate Chrysler Plymouth, nearly all the 40 Jeep Wranglers have manual transmissions. Jack Hodges, a salesman, attributes that to the car's unique appeal to young buyers who drive them on beaches — and also to their price, typically below $15,000. But once buyers get older, and are able to afford more expensive machines, Mr. Hodges said, they are happy to leave the stick behind. He cites Chrysler's PT Cruiser, a nostalgia car with a big toothy grill and boxy rear that would not be out of place in a 50's drag race. But there is a limit to consumers' retro impulses. The Cruisers have been flying out the door, except for one. "It's a stick shift," Mr. Hodges said, "and the only reason it's here is that it's stick shift." Crouching like a tiger in the showroom's prime spot is a car that does have a manual transmission — of sorts. It is a $47,000 midnight blue Chrysler Prowler, a descendant of the low-slung hot rods that had manual transmissions. In a cruel twist, though, the Prowler is equipped with a technology that could spell the end of the true manual transmission. The gearbox looks as if it has a stick. But the car has no clutch. Drivers can push the stick from gear to gear, allowing them some of the control of a manual transmission, but they can also slip it into automatic. And if they rev it up too high, the automatic kicks in and slows the engine down. This is what Chrysler calls the AutoStick, introduced five years ago and now appearing in the company's Sebring and Stratus lines. Over the last three years, all the German cars have introduced variations — even Porsche, which stunned the hard- driving faithful three years ago when it introduced something it calls the Tiptronic. It is now offered in Audis and Volkswagens. "What you have is a clutchless, driver-influenced transmission that you up- and downshift with the press or a button and movement of the shifter," explained James Sanfilippo, executive vice president of Automotive Marketing Consultants in Warren, Mich. "At first, dyed-in-the-wool Porschephiles wouldn't have it. But they're finding it a joy to drive." Mr. Sanfilippo calls these transmissions "manumatics." Now they, too, have a challenger. In its new and highly fuel-efficient Civic HX, Honda has introduced the "continuously variable transmission." "You get no sensation at all of gears changing," Mr. Sanfilippo said. For all that, said Mr. Keyser of Glen Burnie Transmissions, there will always be a place for the manual transmission. "You'll still need them in the bigger trucks," he said. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 4181
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: keeping santa cruz weird
Vehicle:2003 Lancer Evo 8 It's Blue, ok? |
FUD
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2683
Join Date: Oct 2000
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Atlanta, GA
Vehicle:2006 WRX TR Gray |
You can have my stickshift when you pry it from my COLD DEAD HAND!!!
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 4063
Join Date: Feb 2001
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Roseville, MI
Vehicle:2002 2.5 RS 1990 Mazda Miata |
If find it very disturbing that Americans can no longer put there cell phones down to change gears... although I am sure there are some who still try.
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 3987
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Vehicle:1999 Miata Black |
My name is Shinji; yes, I used to be an automatic abuser, but hallelujah! I have seen the light!
Oh wait, (/me throws out stock shifter sticks in kartboy shifter) Hallelujah! I have seen Heaven! |
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Miss You Mom
Oct 1940 - Feb 2008 Super Moderator Member#: 809
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: NH, Land Of Many Trees
Vehicle:2000 2.5 RS, 96 OBS, 95 Impreza L, 03 TS |
<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">My first car was an auto. I will never go back to one again unless someone cuts off my left leg and my right arm
.Brian AIM: captaindamorgan ICQ: 84483950 http://ravensblade.cjb.net Come See The Magic World Inside the Abandoned Refrigerator!</FONT f> |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 5575
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Fairfax,VA,USA
Vehicle:'02 Impreza WRX Midnight Black Pearl |
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Miss You Mom
Oct 1940 - Feb 2008 Super Moderator Member#: 809
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: NH, Land Of Many Trees
Vehicle:2000 2.5 RS, 96 OBS, 95 Impreza L, 03 TS |
<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">You know, you're probably right. My dad is from England, so I am technically a British citizen...
![]() Brian AIM: captaindamorgan ICQ: 84483950 http://ravensblade.cjb.net NASIOC: Now with 20% more caffeine!</FONT f> |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 4416
Join Date: Feb 2001
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: San Gabriel Valley
Vehicle:1989 Escort Blue |
Well, a female friend of mine drives an Integra TypeR and says she's changing to an auto. Reason? Because she's tired of having a huge right wrist, haha.
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2072
Join Date: Aug 2000
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Sterling, VA
Vehicle:2006 STi/Cooper S 1990 K5 Blazer |
I just got my race shifter from LevelTen, so now I have both an automatic AND a stick.
Beat that! ![]() |
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Scooby Guru
Member#: 6974
Join Date: May 2001
Location: S ome F reedom V igilante
Vehicle:1984 GM6 BRP |
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm still laughing at the yuppie "Autostick" that has been forced on so many capable cars (Lexus IS, Acura TL typeS) Oh what a sad world it is when we are so damn lazy we want the "performance of a stick in an auto" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this explains why my wee lil 4 cylander hath smitten 6 cylander variable valve timed monsters chained up by a pathetic slush box. hey make all new cars auto......ill have a 20 year old my00 turbo RS that will own the roads. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 3097
Join Date: Nov 2000
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: www.rs25.com Beaverton, OR
Vehicle:2000 2.5RS Coupe Silverthorn Metallic |
I've owned 4 cars (75 Datsun 710, 85 VW Golf, 91 Chevy Camaro, 00 Impreza RS), and only one the Camaro was an automatic. True, it was nice to drive in traffic, but boring anywhere else. Just pushing the gas pedal to go is for people who just want to get from one place to another. Traded that sucka in for my Subie, and even though I wanted the BRP, the only one I found was an auto, but they had my silver in the stick, and silver is faster, anyways
If I can help it, I'm not getting an auto in anything else again, unless it's just a big-ol' cruiser! |
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for you guys that think stick is faster than auto.autos are proven to be quicker in the 1/4.think about it,a computer can shift faster than man.i have had a couple sticks ,a eclipse and a cobra and i love sticks but i hate sticks in traffic and i love those 5 grand power brake launches you can do with an auto.maybe thats why all your pro drag racing is done with auto trannies.
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Scooby Guru
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Notice that its mostly the American Car Manufacturers that are making the automatics all over the place
(especially SUV's and Minivans) |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 3884
Join Date: Jan 2001
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I gotta' go with grimlock on this one.
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 4934
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: LITH, IL
Vehicle:2007 White STI LTD Grey Mazda 5 |
First of all, sticks will always be better than automatics. Second, sticks will always be faster because of the better control over the power band + ability to launch better. Third, sticks will always get better gas milage because of the control over the power band/ RPM. Fourth, I've driven a lot of "manumatics" and they all suck. Not one of them has a solid shift where you want it to be. If you rev to redline, they will shift for you before you get there, and they never shift exactly where you want them to. Might as well just leave it in auto and put it in sport mode.
Also, sticks are just plain more fun! Sorry about the seriousness of this post, it is out of character for me, its just the way I feel. Manumatics are nothing more than marketing ploys. Now, if they start making "manumatics" like the Ferrari F1 system, now you're talking! Snappy paddle shifting would be very cool. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 5673
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Folsom, CA
Vehicle:2002 WRX/2005 LGT 09 Ducati M696/05 FZ6 |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 6510
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Green Bay, WI USA
Vehicle:2002 Impreza WrX Midnite Black Pearl |
I have had 2 autos, 2 sticks and now my WRX 5 Sp. Will never go back to the autos, just too dam slow and boring. Plus its hella more fun!
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2692
Join Date: Oct 2000
Chapter/Region:
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Location: SoCal
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I traded in an AUTO RS to get a 5spd RS...
so yeah I agree with Grimlock... Quote:
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Gone... But not forgotten
Member#: 92
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: East Detroit, Michigan
Vehicle:1999 2.5RS Coupe Blueish Kind of |
sticks rule.....
auto's suck! |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 581
Join Date: Nov 1999
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Est Jewett, NY; Bethany, CT
Vehicle:2002 WRX Wagon Very Blue |
Almost every WRX I have seen on a dealer lot or in their website inventory was an automatic. What does that tell you?
(it tells me all the sticks were sold) |
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NASIOC Supporter
Member#: 120
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Where the Navy sends me...
Vehicle:1997 Legacy 2.5GT QuickSilver Metallic |
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With all that said, if you compare production cars, manuals are always quicker than automatics. Corvettes, Camaros, Mustangs, Subarus, BMWs, Porsches, whatever, you run 'em side-by-side down the 1/4mi and the stick will win every time by a few tenths of a second. Every article I've ever read about a Porsche equipped with the Tiptronic has commented about how it is a few steps behind the manual in acceleration. I'm all for the "real" clutchless manual transmissions (ie Ferrari's F1 paddle shift option on the 355 and now the 360 Modena). I just picked up a CAR magazine the other day and apparently in Europe the Toyota MR2 Spyder is available with a sequential clutchless manual, and the new Aston Martin Vanquish supercar will also have a clutchless manual. Who knows, maybe a Celica GTS with the same system as the MR2 Spyder is on the horizon? And if Toyota does it, others would follow suit. Pat Olsen '97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 2575
Join Date: Oct 2000
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Winter Park, Florida
Vehicle:2008 Forester 2.5X Dark Gray Metallic |
I drove a stick for almost 30 years. It messed up my left foot and it was either live with the pain or get an automatic. Would I rather drive a stick. Yeah. Am I glad there is a coice? You bet.
Don't be quick to judge or look down on those who must drive automatics. You may be in that place some day, too. Then I'll be there to say, "I told you so!" |
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Scooby Newbie
Member#: 6481
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brentwood, MO
Vehicle:2002 WRX Sedan Midnight Black |
side-issue: ya can't push-start an automatic! if ya ever have a battery "issue," it's the difference between major inconvenience (calling a tow truck, late to work, etc.) and one minute of 'ol fashioned elbow grease! push-starting has saved my azz more than a couple times in 16 years of driving.
also, sticks train ya to pay more attention to yer car and the road. ya just don't have the opportunity to space out, flip thru all yer CDs, or get too wrapped up in a cell-phone chat. |
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Scooby Specialist
Member#: 4814
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Beantown
Vehicle:2005 LGT Wagon 5MT Garnet Red Pearl |
Hmm, good time to mention my site www.standardshift.com? College project of mine that hasn't been updated in a long time. Articles like these give me the kick in the ass I need, tehe.
-Beanboy |
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