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Old 11-22-2004, 05:50 PM   #1
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Default lowering the baja

howdy
so in what i have been able to tell
05's are higer than the 04's
but the 04's are still higher than the legacy GTs

i also read somthing about frame spacers

what i want is a baja with GT or lower suspension

is it possible?
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Old 11-22-2004, 08:39 PM   #2
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03 is 7.3 04 & 05 are 8.4
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Old 11-22-2004, 09:57 PM   #3
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and what is a 2.5 GT
i would like closer to say 4
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:05 AM   #4
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why would you want to lower the baja?
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Old 11-23-2004, 10:21 AM   #5
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Unless you have need ofthe extra height (ie: off road) the handling could be greatly improved if the Baja was lowered. I too have an '05 that I would love to lower but after seeking advice and input I have come to the conclusion (for now) that the compromises are too great. I have heard of some who have lowered the car by cutting the springs but the ride quality suffers greatly. Personaly I wouldn't mind a slight increase in ride stiffness, but I understand that it would be a major difference due to the significant decrease in shock (strut) travel. There are some who are saying the '04 and '05 are the same, but my understanding is that it was for the '05 that the major change took place, both in the strut's spring seat being raised and possibly the suspension pick-up points being altered to raise the car even further. Someone at Cobb tuning recommended to me that I seek out springs from a Legacy Wagon but another knowledgeable Subbieite said that was not correct, the springs were the incorrect size/diameter. As there is little research being done for the Baja due to its relative small production numbers (and hence lower return on the research investment) there isn't too much hope for a reputable firm to provide a solution. In speaking with the owner of Xxceleration who originally showed a set of lowering springs for the car (they do have a height increasing package), that is no longer available for the '05 (I believe because of the changes for '05). In announcing the changesfor the Outback for '05, Subaru raised the ride heights to maintain an SUV classification with the DOT-NHTSA. My wife has an '04 Outback Wagon which sits noticibly lower that my Baja (and these cars are essentially the same). Xxceleration, an others, do have available a front strut tower brace and larger adjustable rear anti-sway bar (I have the sway bar on order) that are supposed to enhance the handling of the Baja and make its characteristics more neutral. Once I install the Bar I'll post results in the forum, but it will be a while as I am also waiting for a turbo back exhaust as well. If any one has had different input regarding the lowering of the Baja please let me know. I feel the suspension design (all independant) and the awd could make for a really good handling road car (at least significanly better than stock) if the spring/shock set up were altered. For some, of course, that could mean raising the car while for others, such as myself, it could mean lowering. I did hear that there was a coil-over set up that would work, but frankly, at $450.00 a corner, it is a bit more costly that I am prepared to go.
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Old 11-23-2004, 10:23 AM   #6
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Legacy GT is 6.1"
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:17 PM   #7
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I've also looked into lowering the Baja but haven't found a suitable way to do it. I also ordered a sway bar from Xcceleration; when I didn't receive a confirmation from them or a reply to a follow-up e-mail for several days, I decided to do a bit more looking around.

I found out the adjustable sway bar Xcceleration sells is made by Whiteline and so I contacted the U.S. distributor to see if I could get it elsewhere. Turns out they could order it for me from Whiteline, although will take close to 8 weeks from Australia. The plus is that the rear bar is $170; while I was at it, I ordered the front (adjustable) bar too, also for $170.

X wants something like $230 for the rear bar.

I also ordered from another source Perrin front and rear end links.

Xcceleration is way higher on price than every other company but you need to do some checking around to find the stuff you want because as everyone knows, the Baja is not a top seller.

iPD wants $130 for its nonadjustable rear bar and ithat includes end links.

As an another example, X is asking something like $1200 for the UniChip but you can actually find it for about $800.

I did buy a cat-back exhaust from X because it was the only place I found selling it (it's made by Random Tech). It was a pain to install because ithe length is off here and there by a small amount but enough to put the tip of the exhaust smack on the underside of the bumper where it can melt the plastic). I ultimately had to go with Kartboy long exhaust hangers to make it fit. Neither Xcceleration nor Random Tech really wanted to hear about it.

Once those guys get your money, good luck. After not hearing from them, and after finding a better deal, I cancelled my order. Right after I cancelled the order, I got an e-mail saying they had ordered the bar for me... Would you believe those jokers still charged me 3% ($7-$8) for the credit card charge (got a refund for the rest, of course).

I'll never do business with them again. They screwed themselves for what amounts to chump change.
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Old 11-23-2004, 02:59 PM   #8
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You remind me of a girl I used to date-- always whining about something. I've dealt with Xcceleration for about 2 years and while their prices can be somewhat higher, they've always gone above and beyond with customer service. I installed the Xcceleration/Random exhaust on my WRX and it's been great. My advice to you is to continue chasing down all these "good deals" and when you find out how expensive they turn out to be, you'll really have something to whine about. You'll figure it all out as soon as you reach puberty.
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Old 11-23-2004, 04:06 PM   #9
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You remind me of a girl I used to date-- always whining about something. I've dealt with Xcceleration for about 2 years and while their prices can be somewhat higher, they've always gone above and beyond with customer service. I installed the Xcceleration/Random exhaust on my WRX and it's been great. My advice to you is to continue chasing down all these "good deals" and when you find out how expensive they turn out to be, you'll really have something to whine about. You'll figure it all out as soon as you reach puberty.
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Old 11-23-2004, 07:24 PM   #10
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You remind me of a girl I used to date-- always whining about something. I've dealt with Xcceleration for about 2 years and while their prices can be somewhat higher, they've always gone above and beyond with customer service. I installed the Xcceleration/Random exhaust on my WRX and it's been great. My advice to you is to continue chasing down all these "good deals" and when you find out how expensive they turn out to be, you'll really have something to whine about. You'll figure it all out as soon as you reach puberty.
I saved almost $500 on the Unichip and $50 on the sway bar by buying someplace else. If that means I'm a a whining little kid, then I'm all for it.
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Old 11-23-2004, 08:54 PM   #11
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Hell i'll whine all day for that amount of cash.
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Old 11-23-2004, 10:43 PM   #12
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hey man he drives a wrx what do you think hes doing here just flaming everyone.
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Old 11-23-2004, 11:38 PM   #13
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He's done pissed everybody off over there, now its our turn. Someone needs too point him back in the right direction.
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:08 AM   #14
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Aside from the fact that Xxceleration (Xx) is the only one to offer an exhaust for the Baja I have found them to be more than helpful and accommodating. I want a turbo back with hi-flow cat and they are doing it. I admit, I am allowing my Baja to be a guinnea pig, but they have ordered the cat back as well as the rest of the components and others (to find the best fit) and once done and if good, will make it available for all. They aren't cheap, but I have yet to find anyone who is . mjalex, you seem to have aproblem regarding the complaining of others unless it is you. I would never argue in the saving of money, but when a supplier orders a part for a customer and then the customer cancels there is often (and on special order parts: always) a fee, be it re-stocking, shipping or even the entire cost. Xx asked to recoup the credit card service charge, a small price to pay. In the future, I would suggest you do your due diligence research before you order rather than order, cancel and complain. There is always someone willing to sell something cheaper, if for no other reason, to discredit their competition. I wonder, if when you ordered the part did you ask for a refund of the difference if you found it cheaper else where, or did you wait to blind side them after you shopped. As far as confirming an order, most suppliers do wait to confirm after they are able to confirm a delivery date, and when relying on other suppliers, that can take some time. Every supplier to our cars is a valuable asset, unless they are scam artists, and while we are all entitiled to our opinions, the only one you seem to want to hear is your own. Time to grow up.
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Old 11-24-2004, 05:55 PM   #15
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Allan: I have a problem with someone complaining unless it's me? I only care about my own opinion? Where did you get those ideas? You'll have to refer to one of my posts to refreh my memory because I don't recall doing either.

I ordered from X but when I did not receive a confirmation to the order or a reply to my e-mail asking about the order a week later, I decided to look elsewhere. I thought that was pretty clear. I did not fail to do my do my due diligence. I simply wanted some acknowlegement that the order was received--I don't think that's unreasonable.

I related my experience with X--straightout, without embellishment What happened, happened. If you don't agree, say so, but be civil about it.
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Old 11-25-2004, 12:17 AM   #16
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Let me get this straight, mjalex gets his panties in a wad because he doesn't an order confirmation in a couple of days, but he's willing to wait eight weeks for parts from another supplier. Then he scores a big $60 savings on a rear sway bar, but has to go and buy end links somewhere else. This whole deal just doesn't make sense and sounds like a put-up deal. If it isn't, someone is more logically challenged than we thought.
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Old 11-25-2004, 08:16 AM   #17
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Let me get this straight, mjalex gets his panties in a wad because he doesn't an order confirmation in a couple of days, but he's willing to wait eight weeks for parts from another supplier. Then he scores a big $60 savings on a rear sway bar, but has to go and buy end links somewhere else. This whole deal just doesn't make sense and sounds like a put-up deal. If it isn't, someone is more logically challenged than we thought.
Run along junior, your mother is calling you.
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Old 11-26-2004, 10:02 AM   #18
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MJALEX: The following is a quote of your reply to my original inquiry regarding my then brand new Baja. "Hey, you've already decided everything sucks, so why ask?" That was your welcome to me on the forum when I sought advice. I have since done a lot of research and communication with others, including forum members, and have found most people involved to be helpful. I have spoken with Sam at Xxceleration in length, and found him to be helpful, knowledgable and willing to deal with a model of vehicle that doesn't have the support the way other more popular ones do, that's the Baja. There is a point in r&d where there is a return on investment that justifies investment. The fact that there are people out there willing to try and support the Baja is great. For one of us to go slamming them because they had an experience, well.... Combine your comments with your reception of my inquiry and in my opinion you have a malcontent or perhaps someone whose self esteem is enhanced by complaining about others, in this case I feel, unjustified. While we certainly live in a "free" society, I always felt that these forums were for the benefit of its members, a place to share experience and results, and to allow each member to glean the information they wanted to enable them to make the decisions they need to. In some cases, these associations can become genuine friendships. At the very least, a source. So, practice what you preach.
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Old 11-26-2004, 10:13 AM   #19
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Oh, so I hurt your feelings... That explains why you jumped on the bandwagon with the other guy. Still haven't learned to think for yourself, eh?

I'm bored with this nonsense. When you're ready to contribute something worthwhile and to do it civilly, you can come back. Until then, go to your room.
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Old 11-26-2004, 10:49 AM   #20
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D*mn guys, why's everyone so serious all of a sudden? IMHO, the Baja's a fun, weird ride and it shouldn't be a suprise that fun, weird (ie independent and hardheaded) people own it.

Personally, I can see both sides of this particular discussion based on my experiences but I know I wasn't there when everyone else had their experiences. So I'm not gonna throw my worthless opinion on it, and definitely not do anything but laugh at the troll who's firing you guys up.

We've only got a few regular contributors in this forum and now you guys are bickering? Yankees...

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Old 11-26-2004, 01:05 PM   #21
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Old 11-26-2004, 06:32 PM   #22
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Yeah! Way to go BoSox! (uprooted Bostonian suburbanite here!)

Texas S does have a point tho. The Baja community is small and it would be best if we can maintain a friendly environment here in our corner of the NASIOC forums. Both mjalex007 and allandwysmuller have stated their experiences with this Xxceleration shop, and that is fine. Each has formed an opinion of the company from their experience and is welcome to share it with the community, good or bad. As for any personal attacks, from anyone in the thread, there is no need for this. Texas had the gonads to step into the firefight and comment on the bickering before me, kudos to him for risking flames in his direction. As this thread was getting heated it had crossed my mind to report it to a mod and just have it locked down as it seemed to be going nowhere good.

Point/counterpoint is welcome but let's keep it civil. Maintain the image of one big happy Baja family up front even if we're as unstable as a house of cards behind the scenes.

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Uh, so what was the topic again? Lowering the Baja? Right, carry on!
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Old 11-28-2004, 09:05 PM   #23
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Run along junior, your mother is calling you.
Damn, with a snappy, creative reply like that, it's no wonder you're "editor-in-chief". Don't tax yourself with a reply. I'd continue this, but I don't feel right taking advantage of people with handicaps, so I'm done.
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Old 11-28-2004, 09:22 PM   #24
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Damn, with a snappy, creative reply like that, it's no wonder you're "editor-in-chief". Don't tax yourself with a reply. I'd continue this, but I don't feel right taking advantage of people with handicaps, so I'm done.
Yawn
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Any new news on retrofitting a Legacy GT spring/strut setup?


mjalex007 - what tire size are you running?

thx.
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