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Old 06-30-2001, 05:26 AM   #1
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damn cops!! good opening eh? well got home about a half and hour ago and what do you know right before i decided to head home a cop pulls me over exiting a chilling spot and says " i pulled ya over cuz i could hear your exhast from my carwhen you passed me" heres the kicker i didnt pass him he passed me in the right lane no less..... i was easy on the gas too, just to keep it quiet. in my head i was like yeah right bitch(in my head ) and he gave me my first damn ticket in forever!! i dont want to pay it i have better things to do with my money than to give it to this sh!77y state. anyone know how i can get out of it? its only $40 bucks but i am unemployed so it makes a difference.... wish i had some dunkin donuts i could have got out of it eh... i hope some drunk bum throws up on this cop real soon! (larry any suggestions?? , i dont want to have to pay this crap. ) i know youv been sweated by the law about your exhaust too. hey i have an idea he said subarus dont come like this we can get a bunch of people who have ordered your exhaust to take a pic of it. so i can say see all these subarus have this exhaust i guess you were wrong officer ideas????
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Old 06-30-2001, 02:25 PM   #2
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12 people read it but have no opinions on it eh? hmmm does anyone know if i can find the cop doing something illegal can i do a citizen ticket to him? cops tend to do alot of illegal actions them selves here.... just cuz they have that damn badge doesnt mean they can break the law
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Old 06-30-2001, 06:48 PM   #3
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I replyed to the General...but here it is again

My friend lives on Austin Bluffs (near UCCS) and has a 93 civic hatchback that is fully pimped out and he got the same ticket a month ago. His car, Im sure, has a much louder exhaust than you. His car is also in his dads name so when he went to court, he brought his dad along and told the judge that the car was really his dads, not his. The judge let him go clean, but with a court fee.

You could take of your exhaust and replace it with someones stock...its a thought!

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Old 07-01-2001, 06:31 AM   #4
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Im telling you. Take of your exhaust and put the stock on. When you go to court, say your not guilty. The judge, in order to prosecute you, MUST make a decibel reading on your exhaust. If they DO NOT take a decibel reading than you are home free. Its as simple as that. This is what the judge told my friend in the springs who got the same ticket (I talked to him tonight about this).

So, change exhaust and make the judge take a decibel reading on the exhaust.

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And do you commit perjury when the judge asks "Is this the same exhaust on the car at the time of the violation"? I wont.

When I got stopped in Denver 2 weeks ago, I explained that I had an aftermarket turbo kit on the car, and with the high compression pistons still in place that the backpressure would burn up the motor. I apologized and explained that I could not use a stock exhaust from a factory turbo till I have the money to finish the installation by replacing the pistons with factory low compression pistons. He let me off with a warning, but proably because I am a 39 year old doctor and not some teenage gangbanger looking for trouble.

The main issue that I want to to correct is that the law should be unconstitutional since it relies on totally subjective measurements of the officer that the exhaust is louder than stock. There are no regulations regarding tolerated dB limits, and it states the exhausts are modified to make more noise, assuming the intentions of those who replace there exhaust. And, it alows profiling and stopping cetain types of cars, while ignoring others - i.e. stopping Jap imports while ignoring loud pickup trucks and Harley's

How do we organize? I am looking into starting an online petition linked to the home page of my webiste soon, and will start organizing a letter writing campaign to the state legislature. Anyone want to help me out with this?

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Another way to decrease traffic stops for exhaust would be to lose the chrome fat tip exhaust and go to a muffler shop for a big exhaust with oval can in stock location and a NON-CROME tip no bigger than the main piping into the muffler.

Oh wait, I sold you that fat tip chrome exhaust, never mind
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Old 07-01-2001, 06:48 PM   #7
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i am going to go back and see if he foollowed me for more than two miles. if so then thats harrassment right???
i also was talking to my sracing friends that there might be a thing for the state to stop harrassing imports and specify the law more. its very broad. anything thats not from the dealer.... your a subaru parts dealer larry hehe damn cops. they need to focus on the trucks and hardley made it sons that have straight pipes "modified for sound" because they are.
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Funny thing is Larry and I were discussing this very issue just last night. We thought we were going to get pulled over two times, and he told me about the previous time he got pulled over. These statutes below apply to the exhaust system and the suspension system. Both are pretty vague and it would probably help to bring this to the legislator's attention via a petition or letter writing campaign.


42.4.225: Mufflers

42-4-233: Alteration Of Suspension

So I guess I commit a class b traffic offense and a class 2 misdemenor IF I were to drive A car with a stromung and a lowered suspension, huh? The only cops that would write you for this crap is the ones with absolutely nothing better to do.

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Old 07-02-2001, 12:16 AM   #9
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it was a 22-22 - 204 or 402 for the modified exhaust ticket i got... did he give me the wrong ticket can i get the cops????
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The suspension alteration one is so absolutely vague that there's no way anyone would likely get a ticket over it.

Replacing the springs and/or struts is within it's original specifications.

"altered or changed from the manufacturer's original design"

Unless you were to change the mounting points...

"Nothing contained in this section shall prevent the installation of manufactured heavy duty equipment to include shock absorbers and overload springs, nor shall anything contained in this section prevent a person from operating a motor vehicle on a public highway with normal wear of the suspension system if normal wear shall not affect the control of the vehicle. "

IIRC, most aftermarket springs could be considered "overload" due to their higher rates.
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Old 07-02-2001, 11:02 AM   #11
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Just what it says in the title, guys. We need to take some sort of action, pull together people from RMSOLO, SCCA, other car clubs and of course, US to stop this madness.

Brat, I got to thinking maybe you could have a lawyer take this pro-bono for you, it is a possibility. I couldn't find 22-22-202 or -402. Seems anything having to do with 22 is for education. The correct statute you should have recieved a ticket under is the 42-4-225. Unless it was not a state ticket under the CRS and it was under either El-Paso county ordinence, or Colorado Springs City Ordinence. My suggestion is to call CSPD and or El Paso County and have them TELL you what a 22-22-202 or 402 is. You can also go get a copy of everything relevant to your case, including the officers narrative on the ticket.

I don't know what we can do to help this situation. Maybe call Paula Woodward at 9News or Tom Martino at FOX? They could put the whole "why are jap imports with exhuast getting stopped and ticketed while others with modified exhausts (motorcycles, domestics, redneck trucks, etc) don't." It will take alot more than a couple of hundred sigs on a petition, I can tell you that. I fully believe we will need some kind of media exposure on this just to get the word out it is happening...

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Old 07-02-2001, 11:23 AM   #12
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Yeah, this is total crapola.

I have a GM "ram's horn" dual exhaust manifold from a 70s Corvette on my 77 Toyota with 350 conversion.

Nothing from the air filter to the tailpipe remotely resembles what came on the truck when it was new. It also has a completely aftermarket suspension - shocks, leaf springs and shakles.

I've never even gotten a second look for breaking any silly-a$$ muffler or suspension laws.

You can bet it's gonna get ugly the first time I get any beef for the full exhaust being put on the scoob!
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Old 07-02-2001, 11:35 AM   #13
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i agree the cops are targeting us. people i hang with because of the times we are out. we just talk and look at others mods. he was a dick about it too.. i hate it when people tell me why i did something ... if i can i am going to call channel 11 they have something called "call for action" and i wonder if they could help. i am also going to find out what the specific law or offence i did was.
the ticket# citation what ever.... is
22-22-204
title: exhaust systems
description: def vehicle had modified exhaust.
wow what an offence, which is odd considering the harley i heard a mile away for a few minutes rattled my brain from that mile away from my house... and all the american cars that are "modified" i am gonna see whats up with channel 11. and go to the substation to ask what the EXACT 22-22-204 is every word... etc.
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Here is 22-22-204 of the Colorado Springs City Code:
22-22-204: EXHAUST SYSTEMS:

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Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with an adequate exhaust system in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, smoke or flame, and no person shall operate a motor vehicle within the City which is not so equipped, or is equipped with a muffler cutoff, bypass or similar device. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system that has been modified in a manner which amplifies or increases the noise emitted above that emitted by the exhaust system originally installed on the vehicle, and the original exhaust system shall comply with all the requirements of this Section. (Ord. 98-248)
Still very subjective, and I don't see where it says anything about penalty, either. I guess diesel's are in trouble (smoke) and Larry you shouldn't put an anit-lag system on your car (flame). Also, what the heck is thier interpretation of excessive and unusual noise? I guess the ITR with it's STOCK exhuast could be considered excessive and unusual. And what doesn't say that he heard INTAKE noise, and not exhaust? This all is bull****, Brat, I wish you could fight it.

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Old 07-02-2001, 01:10 PM   #15
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i dont care what the law says they are hipocrits(sp?) i restrained myself i usually like words that show up as ******** ...
i am still going to call 11 news this is an ISSUE!!!! they do every once and a blue moon stress trucks and others. but only when they MUST.. i dont care what the law says its targeted to nice cars. cops drive their bikes with modified pipes and they dont write them selves a ticket do they?? no. so thats bs . it says " every motor vehicle..." that means motocycles and sportbikes too. anyone ever hear the motor cycle cops exhaust is it loud?? i am going out to see if they are. and well ask he cite himself. i myself will be the "complanee" or what ever the word is for bitcher. i also am curious to who would be interested in talking to channel 11 if i get their attention?? i am going to ask my cruising friends the same. i am also going to ask my wife if her mom will let me use her video camera. next time i get pulled over i bet that will change his "attitude" that i recieved. plus when he had me pulled over a bigazz dodge drove by rumbling and he didnt even glance at it. not a bit.. so is anyone else down to talk to the news.? just about the harrassment we get?
jj were did you get that law crap? i am also wondering about the 2mile rule thingie
were if a cop follows you for more than two miles its harrassment.. does anyone know of that law???? not right to say we cannot modify our cars for performance or gas mileage... and the cops can i will be damned if they can just because they are cops...
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JJ's dad is in law enforcement

He forced me to give his dad a ride in my turbo Saturday, and I was sure he was gonna handcuff me after we got back...

Larry

PS: I'd love to speak with the TV guys about this if you point them my direction!
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then a new post about it might be in order.. one to see who else would be interested.. larry i welcome your opinion anyone elses too! jj your dads in law enforcement. yours too eh. even though your a denver dude. if i can get their attention i will contact you guys and see if you all want to meet up and make this start to happen. this might be the start of somehting good for tuners...
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Since this is in General Forum at http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=67136, and there is a new post about it here http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=68027, I am closing this old one.

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