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Old 11-28-2004, 05:04 AM   #1
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Default Wear markers on tires

Are they a suggestion or a MUST?

Im right there on my tires and the insides are well past on the inside inch or so.
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Old 11-28-2004, 08:30 AM   #2
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What are you talking about?
If you mean your tires are worn unevenly, you have some problems with your alignment and/or tire pressures.
If you mean do you have to have wear markers, they come with tires.
If you mean can you drive on tires that are worn down to the markers, sure, but it's your life and your car.
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Old 11-28-2004, 11:44 AM   #3
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Down to the markers, they are right about there, but still seems to be more than 1 or 2 mm of tread left.

Autox is the main problem on the insides, that and not having an alignment for a while.
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Old 11-28-2004, 12:12 PM   #4
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The danger arises when it rains. 1 or 2 mm may not even be enough to channel water away. It's time to change your tires.
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Old 11-28-2004, 12:13 PM   #5
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I noticed that exact problem doing a U-turn last night and kinda got on it, and the rear started to drift away a bit.

Guess its time for some new 451's
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Old 11-28-2004, 02:37 PM   #6
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Down to the markers, they are right about there, but still seems to be more than 1 or 2 mm of tread left.

Autox is the main problem on the insides, that and not having an alignment for a while.
Most of the time, autox wears out the outsides of your tires. An autox specific alignment tries to compensate with negative camber so that the tire is closer to vertical during cornering.

Driving on the street with lots of negative camber will wear out the inside faster than the outside, but if your toe is set to zero, the effect will be minimal. If you also have some toe-out, which is good for autox, you will see accelerated wear on the inside edges of your tires.

Regardless, if the wear bars are the same height as the tread on any part of your tires, it's time for new 451's.

PS: I now recognize your s/n, and suspect you already know most or all of this. Having typed it, I think I'll post anyway.
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Old 11-28-2004, 06:40 PM   #7
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The problem ones are on the back, used to be on the front.

I now have -1.5 on all corners with 0 toe. And keep the tires a good 5psi above the specified. I drive aggressivly enough to roll them around. I think when I autox'ed before the front sway may had alot to do with it.

Now to get some more 451's or spring the extra 10-15 a tire and get the Azenis....

451: better wet traction and wear
Azenis: better dry traction but rated 80 less in treadware.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Old 11-28-2004, 08:38 PM   #8
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Ask Uncle Scotty about Azenis Sports on a daily driver in Florida. On second thought, don't.

Azenis suck if the roads are any wetter than "damp". For a given amount of water on the road, they hydroplane at a lower speed than any tire I'm aware of short of a racing slick.

Get the 451's.
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:57 AM   #9
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how bout 451's vs. MX's?
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:50 AM   #10
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how bout 451's vs. MX's?
MX = lighter and a bit better dry
451 = heavier and better wet and may last a bit longer

Whichever is cheaper when I finally get a bit of cash in my pocket will be my next tires.....even if the 'Azenis' still have any tread on 'em....

The 'azenis' are actually not too bad in light rain/wet with good tread on them, but the unpredictability of standing water/puddles/heavy downpours is dangerous, no doubt.
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thanks uncle scotty! i've been looking for a short and sweet comparison btwn those two for quite some time.

I have a feeling the falkens will be cheaper. When I looked up the MX's awhile ago i believe they were ~$40 more per tire.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:13 PM   #12
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Just ordered mine from tires plus today, 225/45/17 451's

Bout 300(still think that aint right) bucks mounted balanced and road hazard insurance. Alot less than I paid last time. Azenis were like 600.

Cuz the quote i got from tires plus.com was $452. have to call em back tomorrow.
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