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Old 11-28-2004, 07:38 PM   #1
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Question Value for money: Pzero Nero M+S vs Falken Ziex 512

Ok, so baby needs new shoes... stock WRX size coz my wagon is slightly lowered. I'm in the SF bay area - mild weather but I want all seasons for occasional ski trips to Tahoe. Tires will not be tracked. I've narrowed my choice down to:

1. Pzero Nero M+S: $439 from TireRack ($404 + $35 shipping)
2. Ziex 512: $300 from Discount Tire w/ free shipping (tires.com)

So which is the better value? Concensus is that the Pirellis are the better tire, but are they worth the 50% extra over the Falkens?

Or does someone know of better prices shipped to SF?

Oh, and I considered the Toyo Proxes 4 as well - priced right in between the other two: Best I could find was from EdgeRacing at $374 ($312 + $62 shipping). A good compromise?
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:49 PM   #2
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FWIW, I just went through the same thing. Ended up getting the 512's after asking some locals about both. Performance is somewhat equal. I was after a quiet tire that I could leave on the car the entire year instead of having to switch tires everytime I wanted to go boarding. Anyway, with the 512's you get a decent performing, quiet tire that you can leave on year round. And, as you stated, you get them with free shipping if you order through discount tire. Which is what I did.

BTW, I'm getting 235/45/17s for myself. After some careful measuring, I found that they are roughly 3/8's of an inch wider than 225/45/17 ES100's that I have on the car now. And, they are only about 3/8s taller as well.

So, "here shouldn't be any rubbing."

Famous last words, huh.

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Old 11-29-2004, 02:39 AM   #3
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shouldnt u be throwing up toyo proxes all seasons with the two tires? I heard they were definitely comparable.
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Old 11-29-2004, 03:02 AM   #4
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BillJC: Tx for the input. I'm leaning towards the 512s as well (I'm cheap ya know ) Good luck w/ the rubbing but you might have to roll your rear fenders: wider + taller = more chance of rubbing?

DieselClown: I mentioned the Proxes 4 - see the bottom of my original post. Midway between the Neros and the 512s in price.

So has anyone had experience with both the 512s and Neros? Is the performance difference relatively small or would it be a significant step-up from the 512s to the Neros?
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Old 11-29-2004, 11:42 AM   #5
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I'm intested also. I believe if you mount the 235 on a 7.5" rim(the specs for OD are based on a 8" rim) the size will increase beyond advertised OD. Is your 3/8" measurement based strictly on advertised OD or accounting for the tire protruding(rising) based on a leaner rim then spec? Curious?
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:08 PM   #6
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well, the 3/8" measurement came from compairing the posted specs on the manufacturers websites and me going out with a tape measure. My mom happens to have Pirelli P6s in 235/45/17s on her Volvo which also happens to have 17 x 7.5's. Based on Pirelli's advertised dimensions, they are almost identical to what Falken posts for the 512's. So, I started measuring sidewall bulge and such. That is where I base my numbers. BTW, I'm running 48mm of back spacing on Rota Tarmacs.

Also, the advertised tread width is actually narrower by " vs the 225/45 ES100s that I have and hate right now. So, yes the tire is wider but, not at the tread. It's further down on the side wall.

So, I went outside and started measureing. I Jacked up the individual corners to load the suspension and noticed that I have about a 3/16's to 1/4" gap in the rear when the suspension is full compressed. This is with the black rubber strip still on. So, with the new tires, I should be pretty dam close. But, I sill have room to play as I can remove the rubber strip. Also, right now I am running 0 degrees of neg camber. So, I could also add a degree of neg camber and be done with it.

Anyway, who knows, I could have them mounted and find out that I'm full of crap and I rub everywhere.

I'll let you guys know what happens when I have them mounted this week.

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Old 11-29-2004, 10:09 PM   #7
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Keep us posted. Hope it goes well.
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:30 PM   #8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WRX 94706
Ok, so baby needs new shoes... stock WRX size coz my wagon is slightly lowered. I'm in the SF bay area - mild weather but I want all seasons for occasional ski trips to Tahoe. Tires will not be tracked. I've narrowed my choice down to:

1. Pzero Nero M+S: $439 from TireRack ($404 + $35 shipping)
2. Ziex 512: $300 from Discount Tire w/ free shipping (tires.com)

So which is the better value? Concensus is that the Pirellis are the better tire, but are they worth the 50% extra over the Falkens?

Or does someone know of better prices shipped to SF?

Oh, and I considered the Toyo Proxes 4 as well - priced right in between the other two: Best I could find was from EdgeRacing at $374 ($312 + $62 shipping). A good compromise?
I'm going thorugh the same debate right now; my buddy, who works in MD, but has a house outside Pittsburgh has the Falkens on his Passat & really likes them. He said he hit a snowstorm going home for Thanksgiving & did fine.
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Old 12-01-2004, 10:38 AM   #9
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I have driven on the 512's in snow and have autoxed on them and they are decent tires. Better AS's then performance tires, but not bad at either.
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:12 PM   #10
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would the pzero nero m+s or the 512s be capable of being taken to the track.
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Old 12-02-2004, 02:23 AM   #11
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damnit this is tough. The pirelli's are just priced a little more than I can spare now. I'm looking to get all seasons that I can roll in a few snowstorms with on 17's. IS 215/45/17 ideal if I'm hit with the white stuff? I think the falken's look great price-wise but how are they compared to the other two in the snow, esp in 17's?
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Old 12-02-2004, 08:25 AM   #12
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My GF's has the 512's in 235 40 18 and uses them year round. They work very well in the snow, much more control than the RE92's. They would be fine in 17's.
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Old 12-02-2004, 03:31 PM   #13
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Well, I just had them installed. They fit but, as I thought, just barely. They ride, so many times better than the ES100's. They are about " taller so, it's not that noticable. The tire just comes right to the edge of the fender. I'm just glad that they are quiet and I don't have to turn the radio up any more.

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Old 12-02-2004, 03:40 PM   #14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WRX 94706
Ok, so baby needs new shoes... stock WRX size coz my wagon is slightly lowered. I'm in the SF bay area - mild weather but I want all seasons for occasional ski trips to Tahoe. Tires will not be tracked. I've narrowed my choice down to:

1. Pzero Nero M+S: $439 from TireRack ($404 + $35 shipping)
2. Ziex 512: $300 from Discount Tire w/ free shipping (tires.com)

So which is the better value? Concensus is that the Pirellis are the better tire, but are they worth the 50% extra over the Falkens?

Or does someone know of better prices shipped to SF?

Oh, and I considered the Toyo Proxes 4 as well - priced right in between the other two: Best I could find was from EdgeRacing at $374 ($312 + $62 shipping). A good compromise?
if theyre going on stock rims, i would get 225-50-16 just to get a bit wider, and dont worry, you wont rub even if you are lowered. all three are good, pirelli being the best dry performer, but for the money, i would just get the falkens. for $300 you get a lot of tire.
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Old 12-02-2004, 04:07 PM   #15
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I'm considering the falkens for my Forester XT. Anyone run the falkens that can compare them to the stock Geolanders?
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Old 12-29-2004, 09:21 PM   #16
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damnit this is tough.
man are you right.

i wanted the pzero's but 112$ is the cheapest i can find, add shipping and the local guy who said i didn't buy them from him so the install is going to be an extra $50, and i ended up looking at the cheap stuff.

tires plus has yokes, sears has falken. i went with the falcons for $420 installed. hope it was a good decision. i'm going to be running dedicated tires for auto-x. can't get them on until friday or monday.
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Old 02-22-2005, 02:40 AM   #17
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I was torn too, but nobody seemed to be stocking the Pirellis, Consumer Reports ranked the Falkens as #1 for performance all-season tires, and Sears carries them. Hopefully they'll do as well or better than my dying Conti Extremes, which were underwhelming- ok in snow, not very sticky on dry, and flopsy sidewalls.
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Old 02-22-2005, 04:34 PM   #18
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I had the Falken 512s on my 03 Acura CL Type S, they are a good tire, and handle well, but not as good as the P Zero Nero M&S which I currently have on my 05 STi. The 512s also wore much quicker, and did not give confident feedback in the rain. IMO, go with the Pirellis, you won't regret it!

Good luck,
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:08 AM   #19
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Although the Ziex-512 and the Pirelli Pzero Nero M&S have never been directly tested against one another, it is possible to conduct a "virtual comparison" between the two using test results posted by Consumer Reports and Tire Rack.

In the Consumer reports tests, actual performance numbers are replaced by their usual mindless dots - red filled dots indicating higher performance, open red dots lower performance and black dots indicating poor performance. The Ziex-512 gets highest marks in wet and dry braking, but only good marks for handling and hydroplaning. Outperforming it in handling was the Bridgestone RE950.

The RE950 has been tested by Tire Rack and found to be a middling performing ultra-performance all-season tire. Tire Rack uses the Goodyear GS-A as a "control tire" for its testing so you can see how tires compare across categories by reviewing how they compare to the GS-A. The GS-A and RE950 are very close in performance, while the Pzero Nero M&S (in 225/50x16) easily bests the GS-A in the wet and destroys it in the dry handling tests.

My conclusion - the Ziex-512 is a good all-around tire that does not compare at all to the Pzero Nero M&S in either wet or dry handling. The only all-season tires that do are the Michelin Pilot A/S (better in the wet) and the Dunlop SP5000 (better in the wet and snow, cheaper too). According to Luke @ Tire Rack the Pirelli's have by far the stiffest sidewall of all the all-season tires he's tested and that may make a difference in your decision as well - the Ziex-512's reportedly having a softer sidewall.
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Old 02-23-2005, 11:26 AM   #20
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I have the Falken Ziex ZE 512 on my wife's forester and the Pirelli PZero Nero M+S on my legacy. They're both good tires. I think the Falken's are better for snow/slush. The pirellis are definately grippier and closer to a summer tire. If you're not pushing a tire to it's limits then the falken is fine. If you are pushing it then go pirelli.
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:01 PM   #21
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Old 02-24-2005, 02:54 AM   #22
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I have the falken 512's and they've been great as an all around tire. I even took them snowboarding in a huge blizzard and made nothing of the 3-4 inches of snow. They've also lasted three years also and wear evenly. I will replace them with the same this spring
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