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Old 07-16-2014, 02:37 PM   #1
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So I'm reaching out to see if anyone can help me. My car is currently stuck in some parking lot with the windows down and no power.

What happened: I started my car to go get some lunch. As soon as I started it, the wipers turned on once. I hadn't used them or turned them on recently. I started to drive and the radio turned off for about 3 seconds, then back on. Then as I was driving, it just lost power completely.

I was able to roll it into a parking lot and check some things out. I don't have my tools so it was tricky. I turn the key and nothing happens.

This is what I could find works:
horn
headlights
door's power locks
4-ways (emergency lights)
the dinging noise when the key is in the ignition and the door is open (might be a canadian thing)

What doesn't work:
nothing happens when I turn the key at all
fuel pump
cluster
radio
power windows

I had limited time as I had to go back to work but I'm assuming there is a short somewhere, just wasn't sure.

Anyone have any advice what I can do to look? My girlfriend is coming with my tools.

As for background information, it's a 2002 WRX that is tuned with the Cobb AP (the wifey is bringing that as well so I can help figure things out).

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to be able to drive home tonight.
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Old 07-16-2014, 03:07 PM   #2
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more info:

I was able to take the plastic off under the steering wheel and couldn't see any loose wires or anything that looked wrong. I also checked all fuses and none were fried. I'll be going to check it out in 2 hours. Hopefully the Subaru gods will be looking down on me and helping me out.
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:29 PM   #3
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Sorry I dont have much help, but did you actually test the fuses with a multimeter or you inspected them visually only? Maybe worth testing them.
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:32 PM   #4
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Did you do any electrical mods...radio, extra lighting, etc...checked both fuse blocks?
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:38 PM   #5
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I was (am still am) limited with tools so I was only able to just look at the fuses. I don't even know what fuse would cause this so I can't switch them around to see.

As for modifications, I have an after market stereo but I used the conversion harness so no cut wires. I did install a new A/C plug though as mine went. I jiggled it around but nothing changed. I'm going to remove that from the system to see if that helps out. It was one of the first things I thought of. I did a pretty good job with the wires though. I've done my share of wire work so I know what I'm doing. I will check it out once I can get the air control unit out and see the wires.

Yup, I checked both.
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:46 PM   #6
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when I say I was limited, this is the only tool I had on me:



I was able to get most of the dash apart with it but couldn't do much else with it.
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:59 PM   #7
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Alright well I'm going to go take a look with tools now. Fingers crossed.
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:42 PM   #8
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Not necessarily related but this guy had a specific fuse blowing and car not starting/fuel pump not priming, I did not read it all but thought why not link it:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2351951
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:42 PM   #9
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Alright so after I swapped all fuses and relays and anything I could, as well as ripping apart most of my dash and checking all wiring, I found the issue. It was actually in the engine bay fuse box. The little wire was cooked:





So I cut some speaker wire that I wasn't using and made my own connection to get me home:




After I plugged everything back in, car runs as good as new. I'm going to make an actual wire connection today but I wanted to post my findings in case someone else has this issue in the future.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:05 PM   #10
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i highly doubt there is supposed to be a wire there it is most likely where the main fuse is supposed to be. check for a short in the engine bay possibly between the battery and fuse box.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:07 PM   #11
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There is probably suppose to be a fuse there. Someone apparently jumped it out with a wire that eventually failed.

Find out what belongs there and replace it with the proper device. Otherwise we could be reading a thread titled "My car started on fire and I don't know why".
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:37 PM   #12
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you're right



Looks like I'll be going to Subaru to get the right thing. The main thing was to get my windows rolled up and my car home. It's safe at home now so I'll be replacing it with the right part today.

Looks like it's the SBF-1. Will be getting one of those.
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Old 07-17-2014, 02:24 PM   #13
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For reference, the main fuse for my 2002 WRX is an 80amp (Part: 82211FC080) but a 2008 and up is a 120amp (82211FC120). Getting 2 to avoid this happening again in the future.

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Old 07-23-2014, 08:50 AM   #14
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Now I have a new issue that's leaving me back in the same issue as before.

I was installing the main fuse. Tightened one bolt, it was good. Tightening the other bolt, and it snapped. So the top bolt (from the pictures) is broken off and has maybe 2 threads left sticking out.

Would I be better to get a new fuse box ($155.35 from Subaru) or is there a way to get that bolt out and replace just the bolt? I tried to take the fuse box out but I couldn't figure out how to unplug it all in the short time I had to look at it.
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Old 07-23-2014, 10:45 PM   #15
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Yikes, that's not cool at all.
I would do everything possible to avoid spending $155.

I assume that what's left of the bolt isn't very big so there probably isn't much to tap into if you tried to remove that bolt to install a new one.
Maybe you could make a small hole in what's left of the bolt and tap some threads into it to then use a smaller bolt (with the right washer) to secure that dang thing.

Or maybe you can find a fusebox at a pick n pull junk yard. If you can find one, you can learn how to remove it on a car that isn't yours. www.junkyarding.com (setup by one of my old crew of Saab peoples IIRC) might have a local yard listed/reviewed for you to check out.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:53 AM   #16
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Thanks for the suggestions aerosaaber. There is just enough to thread a nut on 3/4 of a turn. I think I'm going to try to take it out tomorrow and replace the bolt. Figured, either way I will have to take the fuse box out to replace it, so I may as well try to just replace the bolt itself.

A few hours and a few beer should do the trick
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:04 AM   #17
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Check car-part.com for a replacement fuse box. Should be ~$40-50 plus shipping.

In the meantime, can you drill out what's left of the stud and put a bolt through it?
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:44 AM   #18
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hmmm, closest place is about an hour away and it's $125. For that price, I may as well stop at Subaru on my way home from work as it's pretty much on my way.

I'll try to replace the bolt only. The only tricky part will be taking the fuse box out. I see a lot of pictures like this:



So I'm assuming it can be done. I'll just have to take some fuses out first it seems. If I could get this out of my car, I could fix the broken bolt. Just don't know how to get this out is all.
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