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Old 11-30-2004, 01:52 AM   #1
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Default Clutch released foot on gas wheels didn't spin?

I posted this in MWIC, but I was asking about body shops, I want to ask about my car here, so please bear with me.

So I was driving on some dirt roads and it was raining out. I didn't feel like I was going that fast but obviously I was going too fast for those conditions because I'm writing this post.

I came to a turn, I should've just tried to take the turn, I'm not sure why but I slammed on the breaks. ABS was there and it was slick out, and I hit a tree, knocked it over, and ran up it partially.(I'm not blaming ABS, I'm blaming myself).

my back two wheels were still on the ground, and I tried to get them to pull me off of the tree.. it didnt' work. I brought the engine to 3k, and none of the wheels turn. I dont' really understand why.

There was a piece of wood jammed against my skid plate(and maybe otherstuff) that would prevent me from moving. So what was happening? let's say the wood prevented me from moving (fine) and then... my back wheels supported my car so the friction prevented them from moving.. (ok?) does that mean that my clutch was slipping? or the power was just doing nothing in the center diff becuase the wheels couldn't turn? the car drives fine now, and the dealership looked under the car and found nothing wrong

thanks, and sorry for my ignorance in how things work under there.
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:58 AM   #2
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What kind of car were you driving?
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:14 AM   #3
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The tree somehow jammed your driveshaft--as one hypothesis.
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Old 11-30-2004, 08:29 AM   #4
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How did you finally get it off? Pushed it off or towed it off, or eventually they caught?

Having been in a similar situation, I can say having two wheels of your car levered over something else gives those last two wheels very little traction.
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Old 11-30-2004, 08:42 AM   #5
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  1. What year and model of car?
  2. What transmission?

Subaru has used about 8 different types of AWD in the last 20 years... we can't give you any insight until you give us some.
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Old 11-30-2004, 08:57 AM   #6
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sorry, 04 WRX MT

tow truck pulled some of the tree out from under me etc...
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:56 AM   #7
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you were high centered on the tree

not enough grip to move

happens all the time in rally

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Old 11-30-2004, 10:01 AM   #8
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but would't the wheels spin? they dind't at all. it worried me until we removed a big trunk, the car came down a bit, and the wheels started to move.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:04 AM   #9
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front wheels didnt spin? - debris/tree blockage most likely

were both front and rear wheels "not spinning"

or just the front?
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Old 11-30-2004, 12:58 PM   #10
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If no wheels were spinning and you were in gear on the gas AND the car didn't stall, then there's something weird going on. Could the tree have blocked your shifter limkage maybe? Did you look at all four wheels? Maybe a wheel you couldn't see was spinning. Clutch slipping? Very odd.
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:39 PM   #11
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I looked at all the wheels on the driver side.. maybe the front wheels were spinning.. I think they weren't but I wasn't paying that close attention to them because they werent useful.

I was able to get the car to stall a couple times.. it was strange though.. like it took the rpms a while to wind down (more so than usual)

can something prevent the clutch plates from coming together completely? cause that's what it seemed like to me(from my non-knowledgable estimation of what happened)
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:58 PM   #12
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you were high centered. been there.. done that...
nothing to do w/the clutch

you were just stuck.
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Old 11-30-2004, 07:41 PM   #13
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If the clutch was slipping that bad you'd smell it. No mistaking the smell, it is baaaaaaad!! I think Subie Gal may have hit the nail on the head. I'm not sure how you can say for sure no wheel spin was going on if you were in the car.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:47 PM   #14
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i don't know all the ins and outs of drivetrains either, but i do know that when one of or dump trucks (half full of bricks) at work got stuck in a 2 foot rut, no amount of engine revs would get the wheels to spin. we then chained on another dump truck and neither read axle would spin. so the third dump truck was hooked on and they all inched forward . . . eventualy. point being; the more friction there is, the more power it takes to spin the wheels - higher revs?

how all that translates into awd with two wheels off the ground i have no idea!
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:55 PM   #15
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so in the meantime all that energy goes to.. the diffs? yes?
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:53 AM   #16
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Yes, and transferred to the wheels. There is no possible way in daWagon's scenario that a tire wasn't spinning, or a clutch wasn't burning. The first dumptruck was probably spinning one set (two wheels, same side, same axle, called a set or dual) but he was on the other side and couldn't see the one spin. If the truck had an IAD (inter-axle differential) the driver could have spun all four sets. The second dump truck that came probably didn't have a strong enough clutch, and was burning it up trying to pull his own weight, the weight of the first dump truck as well as overcoming the friction of the rut. The third dump truck teamed with the second and combined, the two trucks had the power and strength to pull the first one out.

When power goes to a differential, it comes out through a spinning wheel. The only way that a wheel wouldn't spin is if the differential or axle shaft is broken.
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Old 12-01-2004, 05:54 PM   #17
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do you have any pics of the car on the tree??
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Old 12-01-2004, 06:02 PM   #18
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do you have any pics of the car on the tree??
It probably looks something like this



Just imagine a tree under it
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Old 12-01-2004, 09:17 PM   #19
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ahh man, nice car though looks good from what i could see, did they do a good job fixing it?
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