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Old 12-03-2004, 04:08 AM   #1
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Unhappy first time driving in snow, lost control, hit a curb *update* about $700 in damage

apparently, the alignment is knocked out.
the left front wheel is fine, but the right front wheel sightly sided right.

I was practicing how it felt to be driving in the snow in a emptied parking lot. I made a left turn before i realized I was going too fast and lost control(understeering) at around 20-30mph. *BOMBBBB* right side of my car hit the curb.

anyone know how much I need to get it fix and where to get it fix? I want to get it fix asap.

AWD is great, I couldn't spin the car. but it doesn't make you invincible. *sigh*

any help will be appericated.

edit: I think the damage was more than just alignment. anyone knows what have been damaged?
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:36 AM   #2
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with wut tires?
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:38 AM   #3
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with wut tires?
I don't know what tire, but definitely not winter tires.
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Old 12-03-2004, 07:23 AM   #4
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don't think you can't spin the car just because of AWD...because you certainly can. Hell, I spin mine all the time (albeit on purpose).

The only thing AWD does better than anything else in snow is get you going. Generally speaking it doesn't help you turn (although that point can be argued...it depends on the situation) and it certainly doesn't help you brake.

It's good that you were practicing your slick road car control in a parking lot, at least you're learning the proper way.

As for where in Buffalo to get that fixed...man, I've got no idea.
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Old 12-03-2004, 07:45 AM   #5
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edit: I think the damage was more than just alignment. anyone knows what have been damaged?
could be all sorts of things - the control arm could be bent, along with the strut and potentially the wheel as well. Best thing to do is bring it in. If you are mechanically inclined, and have the right tools, you could probably replace most of the things yourself.
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Old 12-03-2004, 08:04 AM   #6
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You can try an alignment shop first. They'll charge you $60-90 for an alignment. But if something's bent they may not be able to align it or pinpoint the problem. You'll probably have to go to Subaru or a good body and frame shop for that.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:31 PM   #7
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Go get an alignment. If it can't be aligned to within spec, something is bent and will need to be replaced. It could be anything like control arm, strut, knuckle/spindle or even cross member. It's really hard to say what is actually the problem or not. So don't be suprised when a shop doesn't know "exactly" what is the problem. Hopefully the alignment will fix it all.
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Old 12-03-2004, 01:36 PM   #8
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AWD does not mean you're invincible. I skidded as well (understeer) while trying to turn right at around 20 mph and I slipped. I knew there were no cars so i wanted to see the limits of my car. Now I know I will brake and slow and turn as opposed to thinking that having AWD will make my car turn better
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Old 12-03-2004, 01:44 PM   #9
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How can you not know what kind of tires you have? heh
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:09 PM   #10
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young kid? buy some snow tyres
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:27 PM   #11
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Man, I thought this was a bump of a thread from last winter. Almost the exact same title.
Oh well, that time of year again.
I would guess that if anything is going to be bent it will be your lower control arm. They are puposely weakened by a small circular cut out to avoid damaging any other, more expensive parts.
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:29 PM   #12
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AWD does not mean you're invincible. I skidded as well (understeer) while trying to turn right at around 20 mph and I slipped. I knew there were no cars so i wanted to see the limits of my car. Now I know I will brake and slow and turn as opposed to thinking that having AWD will make my car turn better
Yes, brake UP TO the turn. However, if you're understeering around a turn GAS is what will save your ass. Hitting the brakes will only make it worse.
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:35 PM   #13
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You can try an alignment shop first. They'll charge you $60-90 for an alignment. But if something's bent they may not be able to align it or pinpoint the problem. You'll probably have to go to Subaru or a good body and frame shop for that.

60-90$?!?!?!?!?!?! WHERE!?!?!? DUDE alignment here is 180 THE CHEAPEST
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:42 PM   #14
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Whoa there turbo, it'll be alright... calm down, I don't think the world's ending quite yet.
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:55 PM   #15
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if you hit something and you are now out of alignment, you bent parts. Period, no exceptions, as hitting a curb will not magically unlock the nuts and sping the tie rods one direction or the other.

We have absolutely no way of estimating the damage costs, as we have no way of knowing what you broke.

Dont bother taking it fro an alignment. Take it to a real shop that can repair the damage done, most likely starting off with a new control arm and possible steering rack. THEN take it for an alignment.
As for 180 for an alignement, I know ppl in upstate NY. Alignments are not over $100. You are smokin crack on that one...
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:57 PM   #16
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Go get an alignment. If it can't be aligned to within spec, something is bent and will need to be replaced. It could be anything like control arm, strut, knuckle/spindle or even cross member. It's really hard to say what is actually the problem or not. So don't be suprised when a shop doesn't know "exactly" what is the problem. Hopefully the alignment will fix it all.

wow... just wow

Please enlighten us as to how hitting something can magically change the alignment without bending things???
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Old 12-03-2004, 03:04 PM   #17
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I was practicing how it felt to be driving in the snow in a emptied parking lot.
First off thanks, since most people don't bother or care, and it makes a big difference.

The regional forums will likely tell you where a cheap & good alignment place is near you.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

If you don't know, you're likely on all-seasons. Some are good, some are not-so snow friendly as others, so check out the tire forums if interested in upgrading or replacing when worn. in the sticky section is a winter tire review thread. good Stuff!

Tom
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Old 12-03-2004, 03:22 PM   #18
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sorry to hear it man, same thing happened to me yesterday night.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675859

Car's at the mechanic's right now, bent tie rod.
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Old 12-03-2004, 03:41 PM   #19
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wow... just wow

Please enlighten us as to how hitting something can magically change the alignment without bending things???
I know if the alignment is off....then you bent something. If you really want to fix things "correctly" then you replace a bunch of stuff. But, if you are slightly off as in toe or camber, you can "fudge" the alignment back. Would you really want to replace parts if your toe is off by 1/16th?? And you could adjust it back? Or how about camber off by 0.1 degrees?
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don't think you can't spin the car just because of AWD...because you certainly can. Hell, I spin mine all the time (albeit on purpose).

The only thing AWD does better than anything else in snow is get you going. Generally speaking it doesn't help you turn (although that point can be argued...it depends on the situation) and it certainly doesn't help you brake.

It's good that you were practicing your slick road car control in a parking lot, at least you're learning the proper way.

As for where in Buffalo to get that fixed...man, I've got no idea.
I think thats wreckless driving, the parking lot thing...

Im not sure anyone know any more info on this?
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:32 PM   #21
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Obviously, for dawhim, it was anything but wreckless
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:36 PM   #22
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Obviously, for dawhim, it was anything but wreckless
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:36 PM   #23
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First off thanks, since most people don't bother or care, and it makes a big difference.

The regional forums will likely tell you where a cheap & good alignment place is near you.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

If you don't know, you're likely on all-seasons. Some are good, some are not-so snow friendly as others, so check out the tire forums if interested in upgrading or replacing when worn. in the sticky section is a winter tire review thread. good Stuff!

Tom
thanks for understanding.

if the repair doesn't cost me an arm or a leg, I will be buying the winter tires for sure.

I went to sear's autoshop to let them check it out(i don't know much about car). they wouldn't do an alignment because the rim is damaged. they were surprised that the tire didn't flat after I hit the curb.

there must be something bent beside the rim. I am going to a mechanic tomorrow.

btw, anyone can tell me how much would 2 pairs of snow tires cost? also, I am not sure how big is my wheel, 13" or 14"?

thanks.
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:55 PM   #24
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I think thats wreckless driving, the parking lot thing...

Im not sure anyone know any more info on this?
It can be considered as such. Personally, I think it's better you learn to control your car when nobody else is around, however. Most police officers would agree, as well.
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Whats the "however" for then?
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